Alternators and Battery chargers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using multiple alternators to generate sufficient power for recharging a large lithium battery. Participants explore the implications of power generation, load requirements, and potential solutions for increasing power output.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether connecting four alternators, each producing approximately 700 watts, could generate enough power to recharge a 60kWh battery that requires 27kW continuously.
  • Another participant calculates that the total output from four alternators would be 2800 watts (2.8kW) and notes that it would take approximately 21.4 hours to charge the battery, which exceeds the load demand.
  • A participant expresses the need for additional power generation solutions, considering alternatives like a more efficient alternator or a smaller battery, while emphasizing the necessity of using a minimum 50kW battery.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of the current alternators and the need for larger ones, with suggestions that bigger alternators are available for purchase.
  • It is noted that the alternators must be connected in parallel to match the required load voltage, specifically if the load operates at 12V.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the current setup will not meet the power requirements, but they propose different solutions and express uncertainty about the best approach to generate the necessary additional power.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the need for proper connections and synchronization of alternators, as well as the implications of battery size and alternator efficiency on overall power generation. There are unresolved questions about the capacity of the prime mover to support larger alternators.

Graeme McIntosh
If I had a mechanical rotating device rotating at 700 rpm connected to an alternator producing approximately 700watts; could I generate 2400watts if I were to attach 4 of them in series or parallel? Would that power be sufficient to recharge a 60kWh lithium battery that uses 27kW in 3 hours continuously?
 
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Do you mean that you have a load that requires 27kW for 3 hours continuous? (I will assume a yes)
So the load demand that you are talking about is 27X3 = 81kWh
Alternator will supply 700 X 4 = 2800W, doesn't it? (2.8kW)
How many hours at 2.8kW is needed to charge a 60kWh battery bank? (60/2.8=21.4 hours : almost a day) The Batteries will last for 60/27 = 2.22 hour
You then need a source of 27kW for the remaining time and you only have 2.8kW from the alternator.
So, if that's you actual problem, it won't work.
Perhaps you meant something different from what I have understood. Where have I lost you in the above set of musings?
PS Battery and alternator connections needs to be right for the required load voltage. If the load takes 12V then the alternators need to be in parallel (and synchronised!) If they deliver DC then they will need to be regulated / matched fairly well.
 
Yup. That's my problem. Clearly it won't work; but how do I generate the additional power with a maximum of 4 mechanical shafts is my next problem. I'm a little stumped...

I could use a smaller battery or use a more efficient alternator. I really can't use anything smaller than a 50kW battery.

They do have to be in parallel.
 
A bigger battery would do the job but not once a day. A smaller battery would be no use at all because your alternators have such a limited capacity.
Bigger alternators are available. I think you will have to bite the bullet and spend some money. :frown:
Graeme McIntosh said:
They do have to be in parallel.
Of course, if you want 12V.
I have seen 120A alternators on eBay!
Is your prime mover powerful enough of four of those?
 
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