Amount of water spilled when the temperature is changed

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The problem involves a glass bottle filled with water and examines the amount of water that spills when the temperature is increased from 20°C to 50°C. It relates to the concept of thermal expansion and the coefficient of volume expansion for water.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the coefficient of volume expansion and explore different mathematical approaches to derive the change in volume. There are attempts to clarify the integration process and the relationship between different equations used.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the validity of their approaches, and comparing different methods of calculating the change in volume. Some have provided insights into approximations and series expansions, while others are exploring the implications of their calculations.

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There is a noted discrepancy between the calculated results and the expected answer, prompting discussions about the assumptions made and the equations used. Participants are also reflecting on the potential for errors in their reasoning and calculations.

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Homework Statement


A glass bottle of nominal capacity 250 cm3 is filled brim full of water at 20oC. If the bottle and content are heated to 50oC, how much water spills over? (For water, β=0.21X10-3 K-1. Assume that the expansion of the glass is negligible.)

Homework Equations


(dv/dT)/v = β[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


Let vo = 250 cm3, To=20oC, T1 = 50oC, to find: v1-v0
From the equation of coefficient of volume of expansion,

dv/v = βdT
Integrating both sides, we get: ln(v1) - ln(vo) = 0.21x10-3 *ln(50) - ln(20)

=> ln(v1) = 5.521 + 0.21x10-3 x ln(5/2)
=> v1 = 250.048
=> Δv = 0.048cm3

However, the answer is 1.6 cm3, what am I doing wrong?
 
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Cutter Ketch said:
dV/dT = B V

Does not evaluate to logarithms
LOL, thanks, I don't know why I saw a T in the equation!
 
Phys12 said:
LOL, thanks, I don't know why I saw a T in the equation!
Wait, if I move the volume to the other side of the equation, wouldn't I get log for volume? dv/V = BdT => ln(V1/V0) = B (T1 - T0)?
 
Phys12 said:
Wait, if I move the volume to the other side of the equation, wouldn't I get log for volume? dv/V = BdT => ln(V1/V0) = B (T1 - T0)?
That’s why I immediately deleted the post. I hit post too fast. On my phone I type very slowly, so it is embarrassing that my thumbs nevertheless out run my brain. Sorry.
 
Cutter Ketch said:
That’s why I immediately deleted the post. I hit post too fast. On my phone I type very slowly, so it is embarrassing that my thumbs nevertheless out run my brain. Sorry.
Ah, I see, no problem.
 
So I did the integral! β = 1/v(dv/dT)
=> βdT = dv/v => βΔT = ln(v1/v0) => v1 = v0eΔT). When I plug in the values of v0, β and ΔT, I get the value of v1 as 251.58, hence, Δv = 1.58. Which is what the answer is. However, in a solution manual I found online, they use the equation Δv = v0βΔT. And they get the correct answer. My question is, are these two equivalent?

From my derivation, v1 = v0e(βΔT)
From the solutions manual, v1 = v0 + v0βΔT

How are v0e(βΔT) and v0 + v0βΔT the same?
 
Phys12 said:
ln(50) - ln(20)
How does integrating dT produce a ln function?
 
haruspex said:
How does integrating dT produce a ln function?
Yeah, I did that incorrectly. I've fixed that in my post right before this one
 
Phys12 said:
How are v0e(βΔT) and v0 + v0βΔT the same?
It's a series expansion. For small values of ##\beta \Delta T## to first order, ##e^{\beta \Delta t} \approx1+\beta \Delta T.## Calculate it both ways and see what you get.
 
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kuruman said:
It's a series expansion. For small values of ##\beta \Delta T## to first order, ##e^{\beta \Delta t} \approx1+\beta \Delta T.## Calculate it both ways and see what you get.
Yeah, I did something similar and I see that behavior. I plotted the two functions: https://www.desmos.com/calculator/vrhjyq5tk0. So,e^(βΔt) is the correct expression while the other one is just an approximation for small Δts. Awesome, thank you!
 

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