Amplifying Load Cell Output - What Am I Doing Wrong?

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting issues with amplifying the output of a load cell, specifically focusing on the signal amplification process and the types of amplifiers used. Participants explore the appropriate methods for amplifying low voltage signals from load cells, including considerations for different types of load cells and amplifier configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a load cell outputting a signal of 0 to 30 mV and notes that after amplification, the output only varies slightly from 4 V to ~4.03 V.
  • Another participant suggests that a differential amplifier may be more suitable than a non-inverting amplifier for this application.
  • A participant raises the possibility that the power supply limits of the op amp could be causing saturation, preventing proper amplification of the signal.
  • Questions are posed regarding the type of load cell being used, with a suggestion that a differential amplifier, such as an instrumentation amplifier, is appropriate for strain gauge Wheatstone bridge types.
  • Participants inquire about the forces corresponding to the load cell's output range and the gain of the amplifier, emphasizing the importance of understanding the load cell's specifications.
  • There is a recommendation to verify the offset of the amplifier and load cell, and to test the amplifier with a known signal to ensure proper functionality.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate amplifier type and the potential causes of the amplification issue. There is no consensus on the best approach or solution, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the load cell type and the specifications provided by the manufacturer, which may influence the amplification process. There are unresolved questions regarding the specific setup and conditions under which the load cell operates.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals working with load cells, particularly in applications involving signal amplification, as well as those interested in understanding the nuances of different amplifier configurations.

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So I have a load cell that outputs a + and - signal in the range of 0 to 30 mV depending on the force applied. I fed the +signal through a non-inverting amplifier that bumps up its value to about 4 V. However, when I applied force onto the load cell, the voltage range did not get amplified. The signal now varies from 4 V to ~4.03 V. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here?
 
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I've never used a load cell but I'm guessing that you probably need a differential amplifier rather than a simple non-inverting amplifier.
 
What are the values for the DC power supplies you are using for the op amp? Because it could be the supplies are limiting your output voltage, depending on the output range of the supplies. If the supplies for your op amp are only capable of sourcing 4 V, you can't output higher than 4 V with your op amp. This is a saturation effect where the op amp stops behaving linearly and doesn't continue to amplify the signal beyond the DC supply levels.
 
What type of load cell is it? For example is it of the strain gauge Wheatstone bridge type, the piezoelectric type, or some other type? You should use a differential amplifier (such as an instrumentation amplifier) for the strain gauge wheatstone bridge type. Let me know if you want me to explain the the problem with using a non-inverting amplifier with a Wheatstone bridge.

I'm less experienced with the other types, but an instrumentation amplifier should be appropriate for them as well.

What are the forces that correspond to the range of 0 to 30 mV output? How much force did you apply? What is the gain of your amplifier?

The manufacturer/provider of the load cell likely provided information on how to convert voltage into force. For the strain gauge type this information may be at a specific voltage or current powering the bridge; if this is the case, make sure that this voltage or current is correctly applied to the load cell.

It makes sense to calculate the expected change in voltage from the applied force using the provided infomation and the amplifier gain. You may also want to make sure the offset (when no force is applied) is within reasonable bounds, based the manufacturer specified offset for the cell and the amplifier gain and offset. It may not be a bad idea to test the amplifier with a known signal.

And, as artikk mentioned, make sure you do not get output voltage close the the maximum output voltage for the amplifier, which typically depends on the power supply voltages.
 
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