Amplitude based energy to frequency based energy converter

1. May 8, 2010

kishushah

i need to know if i can convert the high amplitude low frequency based energy to low amplitude high frequency energy based energy in both the case over all power should remain constant.And frequency should be in the range of VHF not in microwave range.

2. May 8, 2010

vk6kro

Maybe you could explain what you are trying to do.

What power levels and frequencies are you talking about?

3. May 8, 2010

Bob S

You can use the Linear Technology LTC3588 self-powered "energy harvesting" IC to convert low frequency mechanical vibrations (using a piezoelectric crystal) to dc power for a VHF oscillator. See

http://cds.linear.com/docs/Datasheet/35881f.pdf [Broken]

Bob S

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4. May 8, 2010

dlgoff

I don't want to hijack this thread, but a quick question. Where the heck did you find such a device? Have you used it? Cute little thing.

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5. May 9, 2010

kishushah

20-30W and sufficiently high frequency as per my power requirement.Probably It will be in the range between VHF & UHF.And i m trying convert amplitude based electrical energy to frequency based electrical energy i.e. 120V & 60Hz to some mV & some GHz or MHz.

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6. May 9, 2010

vk6kro

OK, I'll make a guess and you tell me if it is what you want?

Do you want to modulate a VHF transmitter with a low frequency signal, like voice from a microphone?

If that is not it, what is the frequency of your input and where is it coming from?

7. May 9, 2010

kishushah

You are near to that but the power involved in this case is much higher then the low frequency microphone input.My input is electrical power of nearly 20-30W.and frequency would be the same of our a.c. supply 50 60Hz.I want to convert a.c. sinusoidal waves of 50 60 Hz with amplitude in terms of volts to high frequency waves(in the range of Hundreds of MHz to some GHz) with amplitude in terms of millivolts.Now u got it what i am trying to convey?

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8. May 9, 2010

vk6kro

So, you are looking for an RF signal generator that has a mains power supply?

This would take your mains voltage at quite small power and turn it into a variable frequency output which was adjustable in amplitude.

Good ones operate up to the GHz range, but quite cheap ones are available that produce frequencies up to the low VHF range.

9. May 9, 2010

kishushah

Power should remain constant but in input power is in form of amplitude but at the output the same power should be in the form of frequency.I am interested in transmitting the energy.The electrical energy in the form of em waves energy for wireless transmission.

10. May 9, 2010

vk6kro

Do you want to frequency modulate a RF signal generator according to an input signal? That would give constant power out, but at variable frequencies, depending on the input data.

Maybe someone else can see what you are asking.

Please EXPLAIN where your input signal is coming from, what frequency it has, and what voltage it has, and then explain what you want to achieve by doing this.

Treat it like a school laboratory experiment. Draw diagrams and give a clear, exact description of what you intend to do and which part of it you are unable to do.

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11. May 10, 2010

Bob S

The LTC3588 "Energy Harvester" chip is the lead article in the free LT Journal of Analog Innovation (April 2010):

http://cds.linear.com/docs/LT%20Magazine/LTJournal-V20N1-00-Cover-LTC3588-1-MichaelWhitaker.pdf [Broken]

I have not used it (yet).

Bob S

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12. May 10, 2010

kishushah

But it is using the ambiance energy i want use the electrical energy electrical power and i want transmit that power without wires.so for that i need to convert this electrical amplitude based energy to frequency based energy in the form of em waves.

13. May 10, 2010

Carl Pugh

Are you attempting to operate electronic equipment without any wires?
To transmit 20 or 30 watts through the air as RF is usually too involved/inefficient to be practical.

Batteries are usually used.

An extremely powerful light and solar cells can be used.

Isolation transformers are probably the most commonly used method.

Using a motor with isolated drive shaft and a generator is another approach.

14. May 10, 2010

kishushah

Efficiency,I'll take care of that factor.And my goal is not to operate electronic equip my goal is to transmit electricity energy with out wires and that also with high frequency em waves only of VHF or UHF range.so is there any method device to produce such high frequency waves using electrical power input.Em waves should have the same power that of the electrical power.Output power should be in the form of high frequency.power stored in the form of frequency.

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15. May 10, 2010

So nobody has told this poor soul yet, that power is amplitude squared no matter the frequency?

16. May 10, 2010

Carl Pugh

Radio Amateurs transmit power all the time.
See the ARRL Handbook for Radio Amateurs
or
Radio Handbook by William I. Orr, W6SAI

You will probably need a Amateur Radio License. (If in the USA to operate the ransmitter)

In conclusion, for nearly all purposes, this is not a practical way to transmit energy.

17. May 10, 2010

kishushah

In the case of em waves power solely depends on the frequency.The higher the frequency the higher the energy of the em waves and higher the power they carry.you are not aware of wireless electricity development so you are talking like this dude.

18. May 10, 2010

kishushah

Thank you very much.I know its not practical right now but making impossible looking things possible is the real challenge man and i am gonna accept that challenge.And for that i need help from people like you.And i am going to do this at very small experimental level only not at commercial level right now.Do i still require the things u mentioned?You were saying that batteries are use instead of this stuff but battery get discharged very often so this thing i m trying to make is just to charge those battery with wireless power transmission.

19. May 11, 2010

This is false. The energy quantizes in photons of an energy dependent on the frequency. The total energy (and thus the number of transmitted photons) is still proportional to the amplitude squared.

In plane waves E is proportional to B so the pointing vectors absolute value
[TEX]P=\left| \vec{S} \right| = \vec{B} \times \vec{E}[/TEX]
is proportional to $$E^2$$

No, I have a degree in physics. That's why I am talking like this, dude.

20. May 11, 2010

kishushah

I appreciate your knowledge and accept my ignorance.i need your help.For high power transmission can i use high frequency waves?as they are carrying more energy per photon?you see em waves used for radio transmission can carry very little energy on the other hand microwave can carry large amount of energy.so the energy em waves carry(per photon) depends up on its frequency or not?