Analysis of Filters: Calculating Characteristic Impedance Z0T

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the characteristic impedance Z0T in a filter network, specifically a T-network. Participants are exploring the derivation of the expression for Z0T and addressing discrepancies in their calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the expression Z0T = √(Z1²/4 + Z1Z2) but expresses confusion about its derivation.
  • Another participant doubts the correctness of the expression, claiming it is dimensionally wrong.
  • A third participant suggests using LaTeX for clarity and references a Wikipedia page on image impedance for further understanding.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about their own derivations and seek clarification on how to arrive at the stated expression for Z0T.
  • One participant encourages others to show their algebraic attempts to identify where misunderstandings may lie.
  • A later reply indicates that one participant has resolved their confusion and arrived at the correct expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on the derivation of the expression for Z0T, with multiple competing views and uncertainties expressed throughout the discussion. The conversation remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the initial expression and the derivation methods.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the need for specific calculations related to short-circuit and open-circuit conditions, which may not have been fully explored. There are also indications of missing details in the algebraic steps presented by participants.

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Homework Statement


In the given filter network , we have to find the characteristic impedance Z0T
And the author found it as Z0T= √Z12/4 + Z1Z2
But I didn't get this , how this expression came up..!
I found Z0 by considering Z1/2 in parallel with Z2 & the resultant is in series with Z1/2... & a different expression is coming but not this one..! Please explain..

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I found Z0 by considering Z1/2 in parallel with Z2 & the resultant is in series with Z1/2... & a different expression is coming but not this one..! Please explain.. I have got know that it is characteristic impedance of particularly T-network , but how this came up??[/B]
 

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ranju said:

Homework Statement


In the given filter network , we have to find the characteristic impedance Z0T
And the author found it as Z0T= √Z12/4 + Z1Z2
I doubt the author came up with that. It's dimensionally wrong.
 
If you use LATEX your expression for ZOT will show up properly. The expression you show should be:

\sqrt{\frac{Z1^2}{4}+Z1 Z2}

which is correct.

Have a look at this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_impedance

under the heading "Relation to characteristic impedance". If you're still having trouble deriving ZOT, ask again here.
 
I am doubtful in the derivation only , the circuit I'hv attached according to that how Z0T is coming out as stated by the author..??
 
ranju said:
I am doubtful in the derivation only , the circuit I'hv attached according to that how Z0T is coming out as stated by the author..??
You'll have to show the details of your attempt (show the algebra) so helpers can see what you've tried and where things might be going astray. Helpers will not provide a solution for you.
 
ranju said:
I am doubtful in the derivation only , the circuit I'hv attached according to that how Z0T is coming out as stated by the author..??

Under the heading "Measurement" on the page I referenced: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_impedance

you will find the expression for the image impedance Z_{i1} = \sqrt{Z_{SC} Z_{OC}}.

Can you calculate ZSC, the impedance at the input port with the output port short-circuited, and ZOC, the impedance at the input port with the output port open-circuited?

As explained on that page, for a symmetric finite network such as yours, the input image impedance is the characteristic impedance, so calculate the input image impedance for your network. What do you get for this calculation? Show your algebra.
 
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I have got it and the write expression..thanks a lot for your guidance..
 

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