Analysis: Taylor Polynomial Approximation

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of Taylor polynomial approximations, specifically focusing on error estimation and the selection of appropriate intervals for evaluation. Participants are addressing problems related to Taylor series expansions and their applications in approximating functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are discussing the selection of points for Taylor polynomial expansions and the intervals for determining maximum absolute values of derivatives. There are questions about the appropriateness of chosen intervals and assumptions made regarding the points of expansion.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on their approaches and the correctness of their assumptions. Some have received guidance on the use of the Lagrange form for error estimates, while others are still exploring their understanding of the concepts involved.

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There is mention of missing information and previous class notes that may impact participants' understanding. Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and requirements for proving uniform continuity in the context of their problems.

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For #4, I'm mostly confident I did it correctly. In determining the error, we're supposed to find the maximum absolute value on an interval I. I set I = (0,2pi). Is that right?

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For #5,

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For #5, again, I'm mostly confident I did it correctly. But, again, in determining the error, we're supposed to find the maximum absolute value on an interval I. I set I = (0, .2). Is that right? I think I'm okay on b, too. I just want to make sure. I was a bit delinquent in taking notes in class when we covered this. Thanks.
 
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For number 4, why did you pick x_0 = 0 in your equation for p3?
 
TheoMcCloskey said:
For number 4, why did you pick x_0 = 0 in your equation for p3?

For 4(b)? I didn't know what to assign x0, so I picked zero. What should I use? How do I know what to use?
 
What did you use for the first half of this question? Why change?
 
TheoMcCloskey said:
What did you use for the first half of this question? Why change?

Good question. I didn't make the connection in incorporating the two problems. I have to redo the problem.

Also, am I correct in identifying the proper intervals for determining maximum absolute value of the n+1 derivative?
 
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Also, am I correct in identifying the proper intervals for determining maximum absolute value of the n+1 derivative?

Looks like your using the Lagrange form for error estimates. Your interval for problem 5b is correct, but review problem 4b again based on the other most recent corrections.
 
TheoMcCloskey said:
Looks like your using the Lagrange form for error estimates. Your interval for problem 5b is correct, but review problem 4b again based on the other most recent corrections.

For 5(a), I set x0 = 0. Is that a correct assumption? I set the interval I = [0, .2]. In general, what do I make the interval? Is it between x and x0?

For 4(a), I redid the polynomial with x0 = pi/4 and x = .266pi. What do I make the interval I for the error estimation?
 
You should review your notes, text, or explore the web. The interval is such that x_0 < c < x (sometimes expressed as a < \xi_L < x).
 
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TheoMcCloskey said:
You should review your notes, text, or explore the web. The interval is such that a < c < x (sometimes expressed as a < \xi_L < x).

What do you think I've been doing? The answer isn't clear to me. That's why I'm asking it.

According to what I've read, you want to find the maximum value of the derivative in between x and x0. In 4(b), it would be between pi/4 and .266pi.
 
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Shackleford - Calm down, take a deep breath - your answer for 5a is correct. But I guess you are having some difficulty understanding why, so I'l try again. Please be patient.

I think you know the general form of the Taylor Series so I won't waste time going through that. But I want to make sure you understand what we are really saying when we look for "a Taylor expansion about x_0."

The resulting expression is a local approximation of the function such that it approximates the function within an interval about the point x_0. By definition, the approximation is exact at x_0.

Also by definition, the Taylor series is an infinite sum and the function equates to this sum if it converges. When we take a truncation of this infinite series, the function is approximated because we are taking a finite number of terms.

The error term (ie, remainder term) resulting from the difference between the function and the approximation by the truncated series is typically a generalization based on certain restrictions on the function (C^n continuity, f^{(n+1)} exists, etc) and the Mean Value Theorem that allow us to construct the remainder term in such an abbreviated expression as the one you have been using.

Let's restate the Theorem:
Suppose f\in C^n[a,b] and f^{(n+1)} exists on [a,b]. Let x_0\in[a,b]. For every x \in [a,b], there exist \xi(x) between x_0 and x with
<br /> f(x) = P_n(x)+R_n(x)<br />
where
<br /> P_n(x) = \sum_{k=0}^n{ \frac{f^k(x_0)}{k!}\,(x-x_0)^k}<br />
and
<br /> R_n(x)=\frac{f^{(n+1)}(\xi(x))}{(n+1)!} \, (x-x_0)^{n+1}<br />

Now, the f^{(n+1)}(\xi(x)) term in the expression for R_n is written that way since we really don't know where that point \xi is since the Mean Value Theorem was used to generalize all the remaining terms (we didn't show these steps). We do know it is somewhere between x_0 and x.

Now let's look at your example problems.

Problem 4a: you recognized correctly that, since we wanted a polynomial in terms of (x-\pi/4), the function needs to be expanded about x_0=\pi/4. Your p_4 expansion is correct.

Problem 4b: Continuing with the development of 4a, approximate f(x) with p_3 and x=48^\circ. Since the value of x is very close to x_0=45^\circ (recall 45^\circ corresponds to \pi/4radians) from problem 4a, use the terms of the polynomial you developed before up to and including the third order term to construct p_3. The terms evaluate to powers of (x-\pi/4) as before or (48-45) \pi / 180= \pi/60 radians.

Now, since x=(48/180)\pi = 0.2667 \pi and x_0=0.2500 \pi, we know somewhere in that interval there is a value \xi such that f^{(n+1)}(\xi)will yield the correct term to summarize the error in the expression for R_n. But we don't have to know the exact value if we just want to bound the error, that is, to find the maximum magnitude of the error will only require us to find the maximum value (or approximation) of f^{(n+1)}(\xi) over the interval x_0&lt;\xi&lt;x.

For your problem, we need to bound f^{(4)}(\xi) = \cos(\xi). Thus, we should use f^{(4)}(\xi) = \cos(\xi)&lt; \cos(\pi/4) since the cosine function is monotonically decreasing for increasing x in this interval (ie, \cos(x) gets smaller with increasing values of x). Hence, the error term is approximated as
<br /> R_3 \le \frac{\cos(\pi/4)}{4!} \, (\pi/60)^4 \approx 2.21 \times 10^{-7}<br />

I know this is a bit much to swallow, but I hope it helps. Let me know if it doesn't and I try some more.
 
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Yeah, I was able to write down the correct expression for 4(b).

For 5(a), it says denote the Taylor polynomial of degree n in powers of x for f. Of course, the general form is x - x0, so that's how I know we're looking at the function around x0 = 0.

You're right. I needed just a little bit of clarification on the theory and how it ties into the computation. Thanks. I'm stumped on the last problem, so I may post it here sometime tonight.
 
  • #12
Do I actually have to prove anything? Just by looking at the notes and the definition, I can clearly see that f is uniformly continuous since the derivative is bounded.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n149/camarolt4z28/Untitled.png

According to the notes:

Let I be a bounded interval with endpoints a and b, and let f: I → R, be continuous.

If: |f '(x)|≤ M for all x ∈ I.

Then:

1. ...

2. Let ε > 0. Then there is a δ> 0 such that |f(x2) − f(x1)| < ε whenever |x2 − x1| <δ, x1,x2 ∈ I

Def. f : I → R is uniformly continuous on I if to each ε > 0 there is a δ> 0 such that |f(x2) − f(x1)| < ε whenever |x2 − x1| <δ, x1,x2 ∈ I.
 
  • #13
Please, disregard the previous post. The professor went over this problem today in class.
 

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