Analytical proof that L and C are linear devices?

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The discussion revolves around the linearity of inductors (L) and capacitors (C) in electrical circuits, particularly examining the mathematical reasoning behind their classification as linear devices. Participants explore the implications of linear operations, such as differentiation, on various input signals, including sinusoidal and polynomial functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that inductors and capacitors are linear because they obey Ohm's law, but questions the reasoning that differentiation being a linear operation implies linearity for all input signals.
  • Another participant explains that the transfer function of inductors and capacitors is linear in the sense that it can be applied to a sum of signals, leading to the same result as applying it to each signal individually.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the definition of the transfer function and its relation to impedance, suggesting that for a capacitor, the transfer function could be expressed as the derivative of voltage with respect to time.
  • Further clarification is provided that the transfer function converts an input signal to an output signal, maintaining linearity as defined in earlier posts.
  • One participant questions whether linearity holds only for sinusoidal signals, suggesting that higher-order polynomials might distort the signal and lead to nonlinearity.
  • Another participant counters that linearity applies regardless of the signal type, emphasizing that differentiation scales with a constant multiplier.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether linearity is maintained for all types of input signals or only for sinusoidal functions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of using higher-order polynomial inputs.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference mathematical operations and definitions that may depend on specific interpretations, such as the nature of the transfer function and the conditions under which linearity is assessed.

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I mean I know they are linear since they obey the ohms law. But I don't quite understand the reasoning that since, say, V=Ldi/dt and taking a derivative is a linear operation therefore it is a linear device?? I can verify that sin'(x) = cos(x) or sin(x+90) so the signal is time shifted but its form remains the same. That sounds logical to me but that has nothing to do with the fact that differentiation is a linear operation (which I believe is related to limits and differentials dy=m*dx etc). But what if we feed some sort of a high order polynomial instead of sin into L? Then taking derivative would distort the signal and would make the transformation nonlinear. So is it only linear when the signal is sin or cos?
 
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They are linear in the sense that if ##f(.)## is the transfer function of the inductor or capacitor, then given two signals ##x_1(t)## and ##x_2(t)##, $$f(a_1x_1(t) +a_2x_2(t)) = a_1f(x_1(t)+a_2f(x_2(t))$$ That is ##f(.)## is a linear operator on functions of time. That means that you can use Fourier analysis to decompose a signal into a sum of ##\sin(.) ##and ##\cos(.)## signals, apply the transfer function to each one, and then sum them up to get the result of applying the transfer function to the original signal. So inductors and capacitors do not preserve phase relationships among frequency components.
 
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Thanks. So just to clarify f(.) is a derivative? What is a transfer function in this context? I/V, i.e. impedance?
If so, then for a capacitor, I(t)=CdV/dt, and V(t)=cos(wt), so the transfer function, if we can call it that, is Z(t) or simply Xc?
 
The transfer function converts an input signal to an output signal. So in this case, if the input signal is ##V(t)## and the output signal is ##I(t) = C\frac{dV}{dt}##, the transfer function is ##f(.) = C\frac{d}{dt}##. You can easily show that it is linear in the sense that I defined it in post #2.
 
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So is it only linear when the signal is sin or cos?
The term 'linear' implies that the same transfer function applies for any circuit with just RLC in it, irrespective of the amplitude of the signal. I think you are over thinking this. Differentiation still scales with the value of a constant multiplier.
 
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