Andromeda Collision VS Expansion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the apparent contradiction between the expansion of the universe and the predicted collision between the Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies. Participants explore the implications of cosmic expansion on galactic movement and the feasibility of intergalactic travel.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the feasibility of intergalactic travel and suggest that timelines for such advancements are speculative and uncertain.
  • There is a consensus that Andromeda is moving towards the Milky Way, indicating a future collision.
  • Participants discuss the effects of cosmic expansion, noting that on smaller scales (less than a hundred million light years), galaxies can exhibit random motions that may counteract the overall expansion observed at larger distances.
  • One participant emphasizes the difficulty of interstellar travel, suggesting that intergalactic travel may be even more improbable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Andromeda is on a collision course with the Milky Way. However, there is no consensus on the timeline or feasibility of intergalactic travel, with multiple views expressed regarding the challenges involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of future technological advancements in travel and the dependence on definitions of distance and scale in cosmic expansion discussions.

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Hi Folks,
I've read that by the time mankind is ready for intergalactic travel, our nearest galactic neighbour will be too far to even travel to. But I've also read that Andromeda is on a collision course with the Milky Way. Which is correct? And if the universe is expanding and everything is moving apart, how come we're not moving away from Andromeda?
Thanks!
 
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newrd said:
I've read that by the time mankind is ready for intergalactic travel, our nearest galactic neighbour will be too far to even travel to.
Where did you read that? Quoting sources helps us help you - if you've got something wrong, we can see if it's because you've misunderstood something, or if the author of what you read misrepresented something.

I tend to suspect whatever you were reading was a bit fanciful. "When we'll be ready for intergalactic travel" simply isn't something we can know. But anyway, nearby galaxies aren't moving that fast on the kind of time scale we're likely to be around.
newrd said:
But I've also read that Andromeda is on a collision course with the Milky Way.
Andromeda is certainly coming towards us.
newrd said:
And if the universe is expanding and everything is moving apart, how come we're not moving away from Andromeda?
On small scales (less than a hundred million light years), plenty of stuff is moving in all directions relative to us. It's only beyond that kind of distance that you see the overall picture of "everything moving away from us". This is, basically, because the "speed" with which things recede from us grows with distance. At low distances, random velocities of the galaxies can be larger than the average expansion motion.
 
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newrd said:
Hi Folks,
I've read that by the time mankind is ready for intergalactic travel, our nearest galactic neighbour will be too far to even travel to. But I've also read that Andromeda is on a collision course with the Milky Way. Which is correct? And if the universe is expanding and everything is moving apart, how come we're not moving away from Andromeda?
Thanks!
Honestly, there's just no possible way to make any statement about when intergalactic travel may or may not happen.

Interstellar travel looks to be so unimaginably difficult that it might well be impossible. We have no idea when interstellar travel might happen (if ever), let alone intergalactic travel. You just can't put a timeline on something when you have no idea how it can ever occur.
 
Thanks guys, Ibix your answer that its on a small scale explained it perfectly, cheers!
 

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