Angle of Inclination for Car on Incline: 0.8 mu Friction

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The problem involves determining the maximum angle of inclination for a car parked on an incline, given a coefficient of static friction of 0.8. The context is rooted in the principles of physics, particularly the forces acting on an object on an incline.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the transformation of the equation for acceleration on an incline to find the angle of inclination. There is an exploration of the relationship between sine and cosine functions, and how to manipulate the equation to isolate the angle.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using trigonometric identities to simplify the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply these identities to find the angle, with multiple interpretations of the relationships between the trigonometric functions being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the information needed to solve the problem and question the assumptions regarding the relationships between the trigonometric functions involved. There is a recognition of the need for clarity on how to proceed with the calculations without direct solutions being provided.

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Homework Statement



On how steep an incline(in degrees) can a car be parked without sliding down if the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road is 0.8?


Homework Equations



F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution



My physics teacher showed how to find the acceleration for an object on an incline. He got the equation a=gsin(theta)-(mu)gcos(theta)

(Sorry, I can't seem to find the sybmols for mu and theta on LaTex.


I understand how he got the equation. It makes perfect sense. However, I'm having a hard time transforming the equation to get the angle of inclination. Adding mgcos(theta) to both sides yields (mu)gcos(theta)+a=gsin(theta). I would think that the acceleration is negligible since it's not moving, and I think the g's cancel out, correct? But this equation just gives 0.8cos(theta)=sin(theta). But where do I go from here? I don't know cos(theta), sin(theta), or theta. I've been looking at the theta as part of separate terms, but if they canceled out, then it would just be 0.8cos=sin. I tried the inverse of this on a hunch and got sin=36.9 degrees. This seems pretty reasonable, is this my answer? If so, why is it my answer?

Thanks so much! :smile:
 
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Medgirl314 said:

Homework Statement



On how steep an incline(in degrees) can a car be parked without sliding down if the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road is 0.8?


Homework Equations



F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution



My physics teacher showed how to find the acceleration for an object on an incline. He got the equation a=gsin(theta)-(mu)gcos(theta)

(Sorry, I can't seem to find the sybmols for mu and theta on LaTex.


I understand how he got the equation. It makes perfect sense. However, I'm having a hard time transforming the equation to get the angle of inclination. Adding mgcos(theta) to both sides yields (mu)gcos(theta)+a=gsin(theta). I would think that the acceleration is negligible since it's not moving, and I think the g's cancel out, correct? But this equation just gives 0.8cos(theta)=sin(theta). But where do I go from here? I don't know cos(theta), sin(theta), or theta. I've been looking at the theta as part of separate terms, but if they canceled out, then it would just be 0.8cos=sin. I tried the inverse of this on a hunch and got sin=36.9 degrees. This seems pretty reasonable, is this my answer? If so, why is it my answer?

Thanks so much! :smile:

You have the equation:

##0.8cosθ=sinθ##

There a simple trigonometric identity relating sinθ and cosθ. You can use it to turn this into an equation involving only one term which has θ in it.
 
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Thanks! I thought so! But I've researched it, and looked back in my videos, and plugged cosines and sines of angles into my calculator, and I can't find it anywhere.
 
Medgirl314 said:
Thanks! I thought so! But I've researched it, and looked back in my videos, and plugged cosines and sines of angles into my calculator, and I can't find it anywhere.

The identity you need to use is:

##tanθ=\frac{sinθ}{cosθ}##
 
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Okay, thank you! Looking at the diagram, I see how this equation makes sense. However, I still don't see how I have enough information. It looks like the hypotenuse length and the opposite length may be the same, does this mean that the tan and cos functions cancel out, leaving sin(0.8)? I don't think so, because that number seems far too small.
 
Medgirl314 said:
Okay, thank you! Looking at the diagram, I see how this equation makes sense. However, I still don't see how I have enough information. It looks like the hypotenuse length and the opposite length may be the same, does this mean that the tan and cos functions cancel out, leaving sin(0.8)? I don't think so, because that number seems far too small.

You are trying to find the angle of inclination, which is θ.

You have the equation ##0.8cosθ=sinθ##

If you divide both sides of this equation by ##cosθ##, then you get:

##0.8=\frac{sinθ}{cosθ}##

Now, we know that ##\frac{sinθ}{cosθ}=tanθ##

So, we now have the following equation:

##tanθ=0.8##

You are trying to find the angle of inclination, which is θ. You know that ##tanθ=0.8##. Can you see how you can now find what θ is?
 
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I understand how you got tan(theta)=0.8. I still can't seem to find a trigonometric relationship to get to the answer. If we multiply by the reciprocal we get 0.8(cos)/tan, but that doesn't make sense. I really do want to find the answer myself, so is there a way you can help show the relationship without giving away the answer?

Edit: Is there a inverse relationship I can use? 0.8(inverse tangent)=38.66 degrees.

Thanks so much!
 
Medgirl314 said:
I understand how you got tan(theta)=0.8. I still can't seem to find a trigonometric relationship to get to the answer. If we multiply by the reciprocal we get 0.8(cos)/tan, but that doesn't make sense. I really do want to find the answer myself, so is there a way you can help show the relationship without giving away the answer?

Edit: Is there a inverse relationship I can use? 0.8(inverse tangent)=38.66 degrees.

Thanks so much!

Yes, you know that ##tanθ=0.8##. Therefore:

##θ=tan^{-1}(0.8)##

Which gives a value of ##θ=38.66°##.
 
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Ah, right. I forgot the "why" of the inverse function for a moment, and just went off a hunch. Thank you! I get it now.
 

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