Angular momentum about an Axis and a Point

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The discussion revolves around the concept of angular momentum, particularly in relation to different points of reference in a rotational system. Participants explore how angular momentum behaves when calculated about a point on the axis of rotation versus a point in the plane of rotation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question whether the direction of angular momentum is dependent on the point of reference. They discuss the implications of the parallel axis theorem and how it applies to angular momentum in different orientations.

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Some participants have provided insights and guidance regarding the application of angular momentum equations. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations regarding the effects of reference points on angular momentum direction, with some participants expressing surprise at the results discussed.

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There is mention of specific conditions, such as the scenario involving a point particle moving in a circle at constant speed, and the implications of calculating angular momentum around different points. The discussion includes references to visual aids that illustrate the concepts being discussed.

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I was wondering if the angular momentum of anybody with constant [itex]\omega[/itex] (angular velocity) about a point on the centre of the circular path and about any point on the axis of rotation is the same...
 
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hi the-ever-kid! :smile:

remember the parallel axis theorem

moment of inertia about any axis = moment of inertia about a parallel axis through the centre of mass + md2

where d is the distance between the two parallel axes …

so how does that apply to the angular momentum in the x y and z directions through your two points? :wink:
 
i realize what what you just said but what i really wanted to know is like if the direction of the angular momentum is dependent on the point of reference

like suppose an object is rotating in a circle then i know that the angular momentum is [itex]I\omega = L[/itex] and if that point was in the plane itself but still parallel to the axis of rotation then we apply the parallel axis theorem and add the extra md2
term

yes?

but what if that point was on the axis but not in th plane of rotation but either above or below it ...the will the angular momentum be in the same direction?
 
d will be different for different directions (through the same point)

(and I'm not sure whether you're envisaging a general case, or eg a rotationally symmetric body rotating about it axis of symmetry)
 
http://puu.sh/oyqf see O and P
 
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If it is a point particle moving in a circle at constant speed (which is what the picture looks like), then there is a simple answer to your question. Use the equation for angular momentum, calculate it around either point and see if there is a difference.

EDIT: which equations do you know for the angular momentum?
 
thank you every one got my answer ... i just remembered that [tex]\mathcal{L}= r \times~m\mathcal{v}[/tex] the [itex]\times[/itex] means cross product
[itex]\therefore[/itex] , it will be [itex]\bot[/itex] to the direction of the distance from reference thus as its direction changes it will not be the same as the O

LIKE THIS: http://puu.sh/oyDM
 
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very good. This result surprised me at first, but it is right. Note that the vertical component of angular momentum stays constant, since the magnitudes of horizontal position and momentum are constant and are always perpendicular to each other. Or speaking more generally, the direction of the shift of the origin is vertical, so the vertical component of angular momentum is unchanged.
 

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