Angular Momentum and Acceleration in a Pulley System: Calculations and Equations

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The problem involves a pulley system with two blocks connected by a rope, where the pulley is modeled as a uniform disc. The original poster seeks to calculate the angular momentum of the system about the center of mass of the pulley and the pulley's angular acceleration, using variables such as mass, radius, and angular speed.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the moment of inertia of the pulley, questioning the original poster's application of the formula for point masses to a disc. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between linear and angular quantities, particularly the connection between linear velocity and angular velocity.

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There is ongoing dialogue about the correctness of the original poster's equations and the definitions used. Some participants have provided guidance on the moment of inertia for a disc, while others express uncertainty about the original poster's reasoning and the validity of their attempts.

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Participants note that the original poster has limited attempts remaining to submit their answers, which adds pressure to resolve the misunderstandings. There is also a mention of the need for the original poster to show their work for more effective feedback.

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Homework Statement



A block of mass m1 is attached to a block of mass m2 by an ideal rope passing over a pulley of mass M and radius R as shown. The pulley is assumed to be a uniform disc rotating freely about an axis passing through its center of mass (cm in the figure). There is no friction between block 2 and the surface. Assume that the pulley rotates counterclockwise as shown with an angular speed ω and that the rope does not slip relative to the pulley, and that the blocks move accordingly and do not topple or rotate.

Consider the system to be formed by the pulley, block 1, block 2 and the rope.

1. Calculate the magnitude of the angular momentum of the system about the center of mass of the pulley. Express your answer in terms of some or all of the variables m1, m2, M, R, ω and g.

2. Find the pulley's angular acceleration. Express your answer in terms of some or all of the variables m1, m2, M, R, ω and g.

Homework Equations



angular momentum = moment of inertia x angular velocity
moment of inertia = mass x radius squared
torque = moment of inertia x angular acceleration

The Attempt at a Solution



for the first part my answer was ((m1+m2)*v*R)+(M*omega*R^2)

for the second part ((m1*g)/(m1+m2+M))/R

i just need to know what I'm doing wrong
 

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moment of inertia = mass x radius squared
This is true for point-masses only, it is not true for disks.

i just need to know what I'm doing wrong
How do you know it is wrong (it is wrong)? Do you know the solution?
 
no i don't know the solution but every time i try to submit my answers i got it wrong... i only have one more try and cannot figure out what is wrong with my answers?
 
See the comment about point-masses and disks.
Your moment of inertia of the disk is wrong.
 
Also, I hope you realize that, in your angular momentum equation, v = ωR.
 
mshmsh_2100 said:
no i don't know the solution but every time i try to submit my answers i got it wrong... i only have one more try and cannot figure out what is wrong with my answers?
How are we supposed to tell unless you show your work? Just posting your wrong answers isn't very helpful.
 
mshmsh_2100 said:
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Homework Equations



moment of inertia = mass x radius squared

That is wrong. The moment of inertia of a homogeneous disk is mR2/2.

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