Angular momentum and coordinates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of angular momentum eigenstates in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the joint eigenstates of the operators \(\hat{L^{2}}\) and \(\hat{L_{z}}\) in spherical coordinates versus Cartesian coordinates. Participants explore the implications of these representations and their dependence on the angular variables.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the notation for joint eigenstates of \(\hat{L^{2}}\) and \(\hat{L_{z}}\) in spherical coordinates, questioning the reasoning behind this representation.
  • Another participant explains that the bra-ket notation represents a complex number, specifically the value of the wavefunction determined by the quantum numbers \(l\) and \(m\) in terms of spherical angles.
  • A participant confirms the possibility of finding simultaneous eigenstates due to the commutation of \(\hat{L^{2}}\) and \(\hat{L_{z}}\).
  • Further elaboration is provided on the choice of spherical coordinates for expressing eigenstates, noting that while Cartesian coordinates could be used, they are less aesthetically pleasing for this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of representing angular momentum eigenstates in spherical coordinates and the commutation of the relevant operators. However, there is no explicit consensus on the necessity or advantages of one coordinate system over the other, as some nuances remain unaddressed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the potential implications of using different coordinate systems or the aesthetic considerations mentioned. There may be assumptions regarding the familiarity with quantum mechanics and the mathematical formalism involved that are not explicitly stated.

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let us denote the joint eigenstate of [itex]\hat{L^{2}}[/itex]and [itex]\hat{L_{z}}[/itex] by ll,m> and we know that if we are in spherical coordinates,
[itex]\hat{L^{2}}[/itex] and [itex]\hat{L_{z}}[/itex] depend on θ and ∅, so we denote the joint eigenstate by: <θ∅l l,m>.. why?
 
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The bra-ket is a complex number, the value of the wavefunction (singled out by a choice of l and a choice of m) in terms of the spherical angles, i.e. coordinate variables.
 
are you looking for simultaneous eigenstate.then L2 and Lz commute so that it is possible to find simultaneous eigenstates.
 
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let us denote the joint eigenstate of [itex]\hat{L^{2}}[/itex]and [itex]\hat{L_{z}}[/itex] by ll,m> and we know that if we are in spherical coordinates,
[itex]\hat{L^{2}}[/itex] and [itex]\hat{L_{z}}[/itex] depend on θ and ∅, so we denote the joint eigenstate by: <θ∅l l,m>.. why?

We denote it that way because we've chosen to project the eigenstates and the operators in terms of [itex]\theta[/itex] and [itex]\phi[/itex]. We could equally express the eigenstates [itex]|l, m \rangle[/itex] and the operators [itex]\hat{L^{2}}[/itex] and [itex]\hat{L_{z}}[/itex] in terms of Cartesian coordinates. We express the eigenstates in the standard Cartesian basis as [itex]\langle x, y, z|l, m \rangle[/itex]. They aren't as pretty to work with, which is why we choose spherical coordinates to express spherical harmonics.
 
Thanks jmcelve. It is clear now.
 

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