Angular momentum: disk with point mass on the edge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of angular momentum for a system consisting of a rotating disk with an additional point mass located at its edge. Participants explore how to determine the instantaneous angular momentum about the disk's center and the moment exerted by the system on that center, considering the effects of the point mass on the system's dynamics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • WillyWilly questions whether the total angular momentum can be considered as the sum of the angular momentum of the point mass and that of the disk.
  • Some participants suggest that the conservation of angular momentum can be assumed, although there is uncertainty regarding the fixed point of rotation.
  • One participant clarifies that the rotation is about the center of gravity of the disk, which does not include the point mass.
  • Another participant notes that while the total angular momentum can be a sum of the constituents' angular momenta, the moment of inertia is affected by the point mass, which shifts the center of mass outward.
  • There is a discussion about whether the moments of inertia can be considered unchanged when adding the point mass, with some suggesting that the moment of inertia of the disk is different about different axes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of adding the point mass to the disk, particularly regarding the calculation of angular momentum and the treatment of moments of inertia. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these aspects.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the center of rotation and the treatment of moments of inertia, which may depend on the specific configuration of the system.

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Hi all,

I'm treating a problem concerning a disk containing an additional point mass on the edge. The disk is moving (rotating and translating) relative to another fixed point, meanwhile it's spinning about its axes of symmetry.
I'd like to determine the instantaneous angular momentum about the disk center and the resulting instantaneous moment the system (point mass+disk) exerts on the disk center.

Is the total angular momentum equal to the angular momentum of the point mass + the angular momentum of the disk?
Is it allowed to consider the moments of inertia about the disk center unchanged when an additional point mass is added, neglecting the latter?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
WillyWilly
 
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you can assume the conservation of angular momentum

Not clear where the point of rotation is - is it fixed at the centre of the disk?

In other words a shift in centre of gravity when the point mass is added on the disk
 
The rotation is about the center of gravity of the disk, called G, containing no point mass.
 
Total angular momentum is indeed a simple sum of angular momenta of the constituents, as are the moments of inertia, but it is not that simple in your case because the moment of inertia of the disk (without considering the point mass) is different about different axes, and the presence of the point mass fixed to the disk has shiften the centre of mass outwards from the centre.edit- oh I misread, if the disk is still spinning about its centre, then the total moment of inertial is that of the disk plus the mr^2 from the point.
 

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