Angular Velocity Differential Equation

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The discussion focuses on deriving the angular velocity differential equation based on Newton's 2nd Law for rotational motion, specifically for a wheel experiencing constant torque and friction proportional to the square root of angular velocity. The derived equation is I(dw/dt) = T - k(sqrt(w)). The user struggles with solving the equation for angular velocity as a function of time, w(t), and is confused about when to apply the initial condition w(0) = w_o. Guidance is provided on separating variables and integrating both sides, emphasizing the importance of correctly applying the initial condition to determine the constant of integration. The final expression for w(t) involves logarithmic and square root terms, illustrating the complexity of the solution.
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Problem:

Newton's 2nd Law for rotational motion states that the product of the moment of Inertia, I, and the angular acceleration alpha(t) is equal to the net Torque acting on a rotating body. Consider a wheel that is being turned by a motor that exerts a constant torque T. Friction provides an opposing torque proportional to the square root of the angular velocity w(t). The moment of inertia of the wheel is I.

A) Write out a differential equation that represents Newton's 2nd law for rotational motion in this case. Note that alpha(t)=w'(t)

B) If the initial angular velocity is w_o, determine the angular velocity as a function of time, w(t). Can you find an expression for w(t)

Attempt at Solution:

I was able to find the answer for A. I found that it was: I(dw/dt)=T-k(sqrt(w))

As for part B, I am really confused. I know I have to separate the equation and integrate it. I know that dw=w'(t)dt.Other than that I'm lost. First of all, should I be plugging in Wo now or at the end? I'm trying to isolate the w's but I keep getting:
I *w'(t)+k(sqrt(w))=T

I think I need to find a way to get the w's as a product or quotient of each other, so I can use dw=w'(t)dt.
 
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ThomasMagnus said:
Problem:

Newton's 2nd Law for rotational motion states that the product of the moment of Inertia, I, and the angular acceleration alpha(t) is equal to the net Torque acting on a rotating body. Consider a wheel that is being turned by a motor that exerts a constant torque T. Friction provides an opposing torque proportional to the square root of the angular velocity w(t). The moment of inertia of the wheel is I.

A) Write out a differential equation that represents Newton's 2nd law for rotational motion in this case. Note that alpha(t)=w'(t)

B) If the initial angular velocity is w_o, determine the angular velocity as a function of time, w(t). Can you find an expression for w(t)

Attempt at Solution:

I was able to find the answer for A. I found that it was: I(dw/dt)=T-k(sqrt(w))

As for part B, I am really confused. I know I have to separate the equation and integrate it. I know that dw=w'(t)dt.Other than that I'm lost. First of all, should I be plugging in Wo now or at the end? I'm trying to isolate the w's but I keep getting:
I *w'(t)+k(sqrt(w))=T

I think I need to find a way to get the w's as a product or quotient of each other, so I can use dw=w'(t)dt.

It's a separable differential equation. I(dw/dt)=T-k(sqrt(w)) so dw/(T-k(sqrt(w))=dt/I. Integrate both sides. It's a differential equations thing. The w0 part is after you've got the general solution.
 
Ok, now I see it! However, I get: int (dw/T-Ksqrt(w)) on one side. I tried subbing for the whole denominator, but it doesn't seem to work..
 
I \frac{dω}{dt} = τ-k\sqrt{w}
dt(τ-k\sqrt{w})=(I)dω
\frac{dt}{I} = \frac{dω}{τ-\sqrt{w}}
\int \frac{dt}{I}= \int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}}
\frac{1}{I}\int dt= \int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}} (I is constant so you can do this I believe?)
\frac{t}{I}=\int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}}
\int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}} u=τ-k\sqrt{ω}, du=-\frac{k}{2\sqrt{ω}} dω
\frac{1}{k}2\sqrt{w}du=dω, (\frac{1}{k})(-u+τ)=\sqrt{ω} so dω=(\frac{1}{k})2(-u+τ)du=\frac{-2u+2τ}{k}du
\int \frac{dω}{τ-\sqrt{w}} = \int \frac{-2u+2τ}{ku} du
= \frac{1}{k}\int\frac{-2u}{u}du + \frac{1}{k}\int \frac{2τ}{u}du
= \frac{-2}{k}\int du + \frac{2τ}{k}\int \frac{1}{u} = -2\frac{u}{k}+\frac{2τ}{k}*ln|u|+c
= -2(τ-k\sqrt{w})\frac{1}{k} + 2\frac{τ}{k} *ln|τ-k\sqrt{ω|}+c
\frac{-2}{k} (τ-k\sqrt{ω}+τln|τ-k\sqrt{ω}|)+c = \frac{t}{I}

I'm lost at this point. I think everything is OK up to here? How would I plug ωo in? Would I plug it in so that \sqrt{ω} becomes \sqrt{w-wo} which is like \sqrt{\Deltaω} ? or ω(0)=ωo ?
My solutions page says it should be k(√ω-√ωo)+τ ln \frac{τ-k\sqrt{w}}{τ-k\sqrt{ωo}}= -k2t/2I
 
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ThomasMagnus said:
I \frac{dω}{dt} = τ-k\sqrt{w}
dt(τ-k\sqrt{w})=(I)dω
\frac{dt}{I} = \frac{dω}{τ-\sqrt{w}}
\int \frac{dt}{I}= \int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}}
\frac{1}{I}\int dt= \int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}} (I is constant so you can do this I believe?)
\frac{t}{I}=\int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}}
\int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}} u=τ-k\sqrt{ω}, du=-\frac{k}{2\sqrt{ω}} dω
\frac{1}{k}2\sqrt{w}du=dω, (\frac{1}{k})(-u+τ)=\sqrt{ω} so dω=(\frac{1}{k})2(-u+τ)du=\frac{-2u+2τ}{k}du
\int \frac{dω}{τ-\sqrt{w}} = \int \frac{-2u+2τ}{ku} du
= \frac{1}{k}\int\frac{-2u}{u}du + \frac{1}{k}\int \frac{2τ}{u}du
= \frac{-2}{k}\int du + \frac{2τ}{k}\int \frac{1}{u} = -2\frac{u}{k}+\frac{2τ}{k}*ln|u|+c
= -2(τ-k\sqrt{w})\frac{1}{k} + 2\frac{τ}{k} *ln|τ-k\sqrt{ω|}+c
\frac{-2}{k} (τ-k\sqrt{ω}+τln|τ-k\sqrt{ω}|)+c = \frac{t}{I}

I'm lost at this point. I think everything is OK up to here? How would I plug ωo in? Would I plug it in so that \sqrt{ω} becomes \sqrt{w-wo} which is like \sqrt{\Deltaω} ? or ω(0)=ωo ?
My solutions page says it should be k(√ω-√ωo)+τ ln \frac{τ-k\sqrt{w}}{τ-k\sqrt{ωo}}= -k2t/2I

You are almost right. I think you dropped a factor of k and a sign. Check it. To get the constant c put t=0, and ##\omega(0)=\omega_0##. Once you've solve for c put it back into the solution and simplify.
 
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

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