Finding the Time of Max and 0 Angular Speed

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The discussion revolves around finding the times of maximum and zero angular speed in a problem related to angular motion. The original poster presents their attempts at differentiating the position to derive angular velocity and expresses uncertainty regarding the methods used to find specific times related to angular speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss differentiating the position function to obtain angular velocity and the implications of the resulting quadratic equation. Questions arise about the relationship between maximum angular speed and acceleration, as well as the reasoning behind the derived equations for finding times of interest.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different methods to determine the times of maximum and zero angular speed. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of the quadratic function representing angular velocity and how to find its intercepts and vertex. However, there is still uncertainty about the derivation of certain equations and the best methods to apply.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the application of homework rules and the necessity of graphing tools versus algebraic methods. Participants are also questioning the assumptions made in their approaches and the clarity of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


Mod note: Fixed thread title. OOPS NOT Acceleration, Speed! (Thread title is incorrect)

Homework Equations


w=d∅/dt
v=rw
x={+,-√(b2-4ac)}/2a

The Attempt at a Solution


I solved this with help from Chegg study, however, I'm still not entirely sure what I am doing. Obviously, for part a, you differentiate the position to get the angular velocity which is w=5t-1.8t2. At that point I struggled. Chegg answers simply differentiated twice to find the time of maximum angular speed as 1.39 s. Is that because ∝=5-3.6t gives the time of maximum acceleration? and therefore max speed?

My first instinct was to perform the quadratic of the speed equation to give me t= 2.78 s and 1.39 s. One is the time of max speed and one is when it is zero (aka part c for when it will reverse direction)... How do I know which is which other than having ruled 1.39 out in part a? For part c, Chegg used the equation t(5t-1.8t2)=0 to find the time.But I'm not sure where that equation came from. Where are they taking the t out front from? Is there a better way to do this? Once I can get the time, I am fine to solve the rest.
 
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Raymour said:
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Homework Statement


Mod note: Fixed thread title. OOPS NOT Acceleration, Speed! (Thread title is incorrect)

Homework Equations


w=d∅/dt
v=rw
x={+,-√(b2-4ac)}/2a

The Attempt at a Solution


I solved this with help from Chegg study, however, I'm still not entirely sure what I am doing. Obviously, for part a, you differentiate the position to get the angular velocity which is w=5t-1.8t2. At that point I struggled. Chegg answers simply differentiated twice to find the time of maximum angular speed as 1.39 s. Is that because ∝=5-3.6t gives the time of maximum acceleration? and therefore max speed?
Although you could differentiate again, in this case it isn't required. Your angular velocity, ##\omega(t)##, is a quadratic polynomial whose graph is a parabola, so to find the times where ##\omega## is zero, simply solve the equation ##5t - 1.8t^2 = 0##. Note that there will be two times.
To find the max. angular velocity, locate the vertex of the parabola.
Raymour said:
My first instinct was to perform the quadratic of the speed equation to give me t= 2.78 s and 1.39 s.
One is the time of max speed and one is when it is zero (aka part c for when it will reverse direction)... How do I know which is which other than having ruled 1.39 out in part a? For part c, Chegg used the equation t(5t-1.8t2)=0 to find the time.But I'm not sure where that equation came from.
See what I wrote above. If you recognize that the graph of the angular velocity is a parabola, it should be straightforward to figure out which one is the max. point, and which is a point where ##\omega## is zero.
Raymour said:
The answer they showed (2.78 s) does not really show what they did with that equation. Is there a better way to do this? Once I can get the time, I am fine to solve the rest.
 
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Mark44 said:
Although you could differentiate again, in this case it isn't required. Your angular velocity, ##\omega(t)##, is a quadratic polynomial whose graph is a parabola, so to find the times where ##\omega## is zero, simply solve the equation ##5t - 1.8t^2 = 0##. Note that there will be two times.
To find the max. angular velocity, locate the vertex of the parabola.
See what I wrote above. If you recognize that the graph of the angular velocity is a parabola, it should be straightforward to figure out which one is the max. point, and which is a point where ##\omega## is zero.

I suppose that means I should start taking my graphing calculator to exams! Once I graphed it, I saw it immediately. Thank you! How do I solve this via equations, though? So differentiating twice solves the time of max speed. Is there any other method than graphing to find when the speed is 0? I mean I see how they solved t(5t-1.8t2), however I have no clue where they got the t out front from.
 
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Raymour said:
I suppose that means I should start taking my graphing calculator to exams! Once I graphed it, I saw it immediately. Thank you! How do I solve this via equations, though? So differentiating twice solves the time of max speed. Is there any other method than graphing to find when the speed is 0? I mean I see how they solved t(5t-1.8t2), however I have no clue where they got the t out front from.
A graphing calculator isn't necessary, but recognizing a quadratic function is necessary. To find the ##\omega## intercepts, solve the equation ##5t - 1.8t^2 = 0##, which you can do by factoring to ##t(5 - 1.8t) = 0##. To find the maximum point complete the square in ##\omega = 5t - 1.8t^2##. This will result in ##\omega = -1.8(t - a)^2##, where a is the coordinate of the vertex.
 

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