Angular Velocity in the Rotating systems

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The discussion revolves around the concept of angular velocity in rotating systems, specifically examining the relationship between a vector in a rotating frame and its representation in a fixed coordinate system. The original poster attempts to verify the equation relating the time derivative of the position vector to the angular velocity vector.

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  • Participants discuss the conditions under which the angular velocity vector is parallel to the axis of rotation and question the calculations involving the rotation matrix. There are attempts to express the relationship between the angular velocity and the time derivative of the position vector, with some participants suggesting the need to verify specific calculations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on verifying calculations and have raised questions about the factors involved in the equations. There appears to be a productive exploration of the mathematical relationships, though no consensus has been reached regarding the final verification of the original poster's assertion.

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Participants note the presence of an unknown factor in the calculations, which may affect the verification process. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity regarding the definitions and assumptions related to the angular velocity and the rotation matrix.

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Summary: Consider a body which is rotating with constant angular velocity ω about some
axis passing through the origin. Assume the origin is fixed, and that we are sitting
in a fixed coordinate system ##O_{xyz}##
If ##\rho## is a vector of constant magnitude and constant direction in the rotating system,
then its representation r in the fixed system must be a function of t.

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Now how to verify ##\dot{r}= \omega \times r ##
My attempt:

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\omega should be parallel to the axis of rotation, which here is (0,0,1)^T. So you need to double check your calculation of \dot R R^T. Remember that \dot R = \dot\alpha \dfrac{dR}{d\alpha}.
 
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pasmith said:
\omega should be parallel to the axis of rotation, which here is (0,0,1)^T. So you need to double check your calculation of \dot R R^T. Remember that \dot R = \dot\alpha \dfrac{dR}{d\alpha}.
I got as author said ## \dot{r}(v) =\omega \times r ## So, I tagged this question ' SOLVED'
 
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Tour \dot R R^T is correct, but needs to be multiplied by a factor of \dor \alpha, which is unknown. Then you have <br /> \dot R R^T \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \\ z \end{pmatrix} = \dot \alpha \begin{pmatrix}-y \\ x \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}. Can you find (\omega_1,\omega_2,\omega_3) such that <br /> \begin{pmatrix} \omega_1 \\ \omega_2 \\ \omega_3 \end{pmatrix} \times \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \\ z \end{pmatrix}<br /> = \dot \alpha\begin{pmatrix} -y \\ x \\ 0\end{pmatrix}?
 
pasmith said:
Tour \dot R R^T is correct, but needs to be multiplied by a factor of \dor \alpha, which is unknown. Then you have <br /> \dot R R^T \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \\ z \end{pmatrix} = \dot \alpha \begin{pmatrix}-y \\ x \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}. Can you find (\omega_1,\omega_2,\omega_3) such that <br /> \begin{pmatrix} \omega_1 \\ \omega_2 \\ \omega_3 \end{pmatrix} \times \begin{pmatrix} x \\ y \\ z \end{pmatrix}<br /> = \dot \alpha\begin{pmatrix} -y \\ x \\ 0\end{pmatrix}?
Hi,
## [ 0,0,1] \times [ -y \sin{\alpha} + x \cos{\alpha}, y\cos{\alpha} + x \sin{\alpha}, z ] = [ -y \cos{\alpha}-x\sin{\alpha}, -y\sin{\alpha}+ x\cos{\alpha}, 0 ] = \omega \times r = \dot{r} ##

So, we get what author said/got.
 

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