Angular velocity - spherical coordinates

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The discussion revolves around expressing angular velocity in spherical coordinates, particularly in the context of the Earth's rotation and its implications for the Coriolis force. Participants explore the relationship between angular velocity and spherical coordinate notation while addressing a specific homework problem related to the independence of the Coriolis force's magnitude from the direction of motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss how to express angular velocity in spherical coordinates, questioning the correct notation and directionality of the angular velocity vector. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between spherical coordinates and the Coriolis force, with some participants expressing confusion over terminology and notation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of angular velocity being explored. Some participants have offered insights into the notation and relationships between different coordinate systems, while others are seeking clarification on specific aspects of the problem. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct expression for angular velocity in spherical coordinates.

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Participants are navigating potential confusion regarding the notation for spherical coordinates and the implications of the Earth's rotation on the Coriolis force. The original poster has indicated that their question is not directly related to the homework problem, which may influence the direction of the discussion.

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how do you express angular velocity in spherical coordinates?
like the Earth rotates with constant speed, so the direction of the angular velocity vector is out the north pole.
if it was spherical coordinates , how do you specify that direction?
i know that z = r cos theta so
\hat{k} = r cos \theta \hat{e_{\theta}} ?
the problem is:
for a particle moving in a horizontal plane on the surface of the Earth show that the magnitude of the coriolis force is independent of the direction of motion of the particle.
so the question i asked isn't the HW problem and a direct answer would be much appreciated.
also, this is sort of a dumb question, but does the \theta , \phi plane count as a plane? if it doesn't, why wouldn't it?
 
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z hat, what's a zhat?

z= \rho cos(\phi)
 
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Generally, you would express any vector in spherical coordinates in the form of

\vec v = v_r \hat e_r + v_{\theta} \hat e_{\theta} + v_{\phi} \hat e_{\phi}
 
i know how a velocity is expressed in spherical co-ordinates.
i just don't know how to say the direction of the angular velocity vector.
magnitude of the coriolis force =
F_{cor} = | 2 m ( \vec{\omega} \times \vec{v'} ) |
where \vec{v'} is the velocity in the non-inertial frame.
wht's rho? am i using the wrong notation for this too?
( \hat{e_r} , \hat{e_{\theta}} , \hat{e_{\phi}} ) is i think the most common way to express it, but it's not so type friendly. I generally use:
( \hat{r} , \hat{\theta} , \hat{\phi} ) for spherical coordinates, but that's besides the point.
now that the confusion to nomenclature has been cleared up:

i need to know the angular velocity of the Earth in spherical coordinates please.
is it just \omega \hat{k} = \omega r cos \theta \hat{e_{\theta}}
 
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my rho is your r.
 
from your post the #2 i am inferring that i am correct in my assumption that

\omega \hat{k} = \omega r cos \theta \hat{e_{\theta}}
 
For the Coriolis force, \omega is in the \hat z direction. It may be helpful to write that as \hat z = -\sin \theta \hat e_{\theta} + \cos \theta \hat e_r. Then if you write the velocity using spherical unit vectors you can evaluate the cross product noting that \hat e_r \times \hat e_{\theta} = \hat e_{\phi} etc.
 
thank you.
 

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