Angular velocity when mass is added at center of rotation

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The discussion revolves around the effects of adding mass to a spinning system, specifically a person on a chair, and how this impacts angular velocity. The original poster is exploring the relationship between angular momentum and the addition of mass, questioning whether the spinning rate will increase, decrease, or remain the same when mass is introduced.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of angular momentum and its implications when mass is added. There are questions about how the moment of inertia of the added mass affects the system's angular velocity. Some participants attempt to clarify the conditions under which the spin rate may change.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of angular momentum and moment of inertia. Some have provided explanations regarding the behavior of the mass when added, while others are seeking confirmation of their understanding. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the scenario, particularly regarding how the mass interacts with the spinning system.

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There are references to specific conditions under which the mass is added, such as whether it is already spinning or not, and how this affects the overall angular momentum of the system. The original poster has expressed a desire for clarification rather than direct answers.

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Homework Statement


A guy is spinning on a chair with his hands at rest on his lap. As he is spinning, a large mass drops into his hands/lap. Does the guy continue spinning at the same rate, a slower rate, or a faster rate?
This video demonstrates what happens when the guy drops mass:
http://media.pearsoncmg.com/aw/aw_0media_physics/vtd/video20.html

Please do not answer the question for me, but help me understand the problem and relevant equations.

Homework Equations


L = Iω = m(r^2)ω -----I think this this is the equation I need...

The Attempt at a Solution


If mass is added, shouldn't ω decrease due to the conservation of angular momentum?
But I did a quick experiment with my brother and I didn't seem to slow down...
 
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Angular momentum is not just a question of moving mass - the mass has to have some angular inertia (moment of inertia) to be interesting. Yes, if the mass is not already spinning, when dropped into your lap it will slow your spin, but it might not be that obvious. If the mass is narrow (a small heavy lump, or a tall pole) and drops into your lap at your axis of spin then it will have very little moment of inertia about that axis, so won't require much angular momentum to bring it up to your spin rate.
Dropping mass, as in the video, is rather different. The bags did not drop straight down; each flew off tangentially. This means they still had angular momentum about his axis. So in this case it does not matter how much moment the bags had about the axis, his spin rate will not change.
 
Ohhh so since the long, heavy bean bag isn't spinning as its dropped onto the guy's lap, it will will require some angular inertia to get it to spin...and to do this, it "steals" some angular speed from the guy which causes him to slow down? Do I have that right?
 
haruspex said:
Angular momentum is not just a question of moving mass - the mass has to have some angular inertia (moment of inertia) to be interesting. Yes, if the mass is not already spinning, when dropped into your lap it will slow your spin, but it might not be that obvious. If the mass is narrow (a small heavy lump, or a tall pole) and drops into your lap at your axis of spin then it will have very little moment of inertia about that axis, so won't require much angular momentum to bring it up to your spin rate.
Dropping mass, as in the video, is rather different. The bags did not drop straight down; each flew off tangentially. This means they still had angular momentum about his axis. So in this case it does not matter how much moment the bags had about the axis, his spin rate will not change.


Ohhh so since the long, heavy bean bag isn't spinning as its dropped onto the guy's lap, it will will require some angular inertia to get it to spin...and to do this, it "steals" some angular speed from the guy which causes him to slow down? Do I have that right?
 
wootman23 said:
Ohhh so since the long, heavy bean bag isn't spinning as its dropped onto the guy's lap, it will will require some angular inertia to get it to spin...and to do this, it "steals" some angular speed from the guy which causes him to slow down? Do I have that right?

Yes.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes.

Yup, you were right! Thank you for the explanation and confirmation!
 

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