Antenna Design Filtering Out UnWanted Frequencies

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the placement and function of resonators in antenna design, particularly in relation to filtering out unwanted frequencies. Participants explore the role of resonators in amplifying specific sine waves while ignoring others, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of antenna and receiver design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the appropriate location for a resonator that amplifies specific frequencies, questioning whether it should be near the antenna or within the receiver.
  • Another participant explains that the resonator, referred to as a tuner, is typically located inside the TV or radio receiver and that antennas are designed to be resonant at the frequency of interest.
  • A later reply suggests that for enhanced selectivity, a filter could be placed at the antenna output, although this may not be necessary in most cases.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between resonators and amplifiers, with one participant noting that while a resonator can transform voltage, an active device like a transistor is needed to amplify power.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the necessity and placement of resonators and filters, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist regarding the optimal design for filtering unwanted frequencies.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific applications and interference scenarios, highlighting that the effectiveness of filtering may depend on the level of interference and the design of the receiver.

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Hello.

I was wondering if someone could explain to someone with no electrical engineering background where would one place the resonator whose sole responsibility is to amplify sine waves at a particular frequency while ignoring other sine waves. Would this resonator be located by the antenna itself or at a location once the signal has passed through the transmission line to the receiver for example ? I hope I have not confused the technology and further hope that I've explained the question clearly. Please correct me wherever and ask any questions for further clarification.

NOTE: If this is not the correct forum for this question could anyone suggest a site that is better suited for this area of study.

Thanks in advance
 
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Hi victor43, http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5725/red5e5etimes5e5e45e5e25.gif

victor43 said:
I was wondering if someone could explain to someone with no electrical engineering background where would one place the resonator whose sole responsibility is to amplify sine waves at a particular frequency while ignoring other sine waves. Would this resonator be located by the antenna itself or at a location once the signal has passed through the transmission line to the receiver for example ? I hope I have not confused the technology and further hope that I've explained the question clearly. Please correct me wherever and ask any questions for further clarification.
That resonator is present in every TV and radio receiver. It is located inside the TV or radio set. It is called the tuner.

Where signals are expected to be weak, the antenna is usually designed to be resonant at the frequency band of interest, too, to provide you with the strongest signal and least noise.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
Hi victor43, http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5725/red5e5etimes5e5e45e5e25.gif That resonator is present in every TV and radio receiver. It is located inside the TV or radio set. It is called the tuner.

Where signals are expected to be weak, the antenna is usually designed to be resonant at the frequency band of interest, too, to provide you with the strongest signal and least noise.

Thank you for the reply.

I understand what you are saying but from a schematics diagram description where on the circuit would you find the tuner ? Would it be coupled to the antenna ?

Thanks again
 
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The antenna lead goes direct to the tuner.
 
NascentOxygen said:
The antenna lead goes direct to the tuner.

Thank again for the reply.
 
If you really want your receiver to be selective (say you wanted to eliminate some very high power local interfering transmitter and only wanted to receive a narrow range of frequencies) you could put a filter (resonator) right at the output of the antenna and then take the feeder to the receiver on well screened cable. It's hardly worth that effort in most applications, though and you can get perfectly good filtering with a band-pass filter on the input to the receiver. The receiver (tuner) , itself does this but it may not perform well enough in the presence of =abnormal interference levels. When there is a particularly high level of interference at a frequency that is not what you actually need to receive, then it is possible to use a 'notch' or 'band-stop' filter into the feeder at the receiver input and remove the problem of the tuner becoming overloaded by the interference. Companies sometimes supply such filters to deal with interference sources if they happen to be putting out embarrassing level of interference at 'legal' levels which still are affecting local broadcast reception. Radar transmissions at airports can be a nuisance, for instance.
Interesting that you use the word "amplify", in this context. A resonator may transform or 'magnify' the voltage but you need an active device like a transistor actually to 'amplify' a signal - i.e. to increase its Power. It is Power that counts when you are trying to discriminate between wanted signals and noise and interference.
 

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