Anyone aware of the Physics of Hydrogen Bonding ? Please suggest resources

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The discussion revolves around the physics of hydrogen bonding, with a focus on the underlying theories and models that can be applied in experimental research. Participants explore concepts related to quantum mechanics, covalent bonding, and Van der Waals forces, seeking resources and explanations that could aid in understanding these phenomena for an upcoming physics oral exam.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for detailed explanations of the physics behind hydrogen bonding, particularly in relation to quantum mechanics and electrodynamics.
  • Another participant mentions that they can only explain hydrogen bonding in terms of polar bonding, indicating a limitation in their knowledge.
  • A participant provides an explanation of Van der Waals forces, describing how transitory dipoles form in molecules like N2 due to non-uniform electron density, and how these forces can also arise when non-polar molecules approach permanent dipoles.
  • The original poster expresses satisfaction with the provided explanation of Van der Waals forces and indicates an intention to explore dipole physics from electromagnetism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the detailed physics of hydrogen bonding, and multiple viewpoints regarding the complexity of the topic are present. Some participants acknowledge limitations in their explanations, while others provide specific examples of related forces.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights a lack of comprehensive resources on the physics of hydrogen bonding, as well as varying levels of understanding among participants regarding related concepts such as covalent bonding and Van der Waals forces.

Who May Find This Useful

Graduate students and researchers in interdisciplinary fields involving nanoscience, as well as those interested in the physics of molecular interactions and bonding theories.

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Anyone aware of the Physics of Hydrogen Bonding ?? Please suggest resources !

Hi everyone,
Am a grad student doing experimental research in an interdisciplinary lab of nanoscience - I am using the concept of hydrogen bonding in some of my experiments. I am planning to present my results to a physics oral exam committe - I am anticipating questions on the 'physics' or atleast the 'theory/model' of hydrogen bonding. I have googled and searched some chemistry textbooks and discussed with my labmates and colleagues. Nobody is aware of the details. I would appreciate if anyone here could recall any quantum/electrodynamics/ any physics concept that might be useful in explaining Hydrogen bonding..
I would also appreciate if anyone could suggest a quantum mechanics book that explains
1. covalent bonding ( u know, sp,sp2,sp3 hybridization)
2. Van der waals forces
in simple way

Thanks a lot
savi
 
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Well I don't think I can explain it past the polar bonding. i assume you want a lot more info than that however :rolleyes:
 


Van der vaal forces are the simplest. Take N2 the electron density around the N2 molecule is not uniform leading to transitory dipoles forming with the molecule. These dipoles take the conventional form of a tiny positive and negative charge on the atom/molecule. This an example of an Van der Vaals force also know as the London dispersion force.

Another example of Van der Vaals forces is when a non polar atom or molecule approaches a permanent dipole. an induced charge results and therefore an attraction.

I hope this helps.
 


Thanks nooma, I am satisfied, there is atleast no theory more complicated than that which is too popular ! :approve:
And, bm0p700f, thanks for your suggestion, I will arm myself with some dipole physics from E&M

Thanks anyways
Savi
 

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