Application of integration: Volume

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a right cone with a height of 9 and an elliptical base, characterized by a major axis of 12 and a minor axis of 6. Participants explore the application of integration in calculating this volume.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants suggest using the formula for the volume of a cone, while others express surprise at the existence of such a formula for non-circular bases. There is a discussion about deriving the volume through integration, with one participant providing a method to find the area of elliptical cross-sections at varying heights.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have offered guidance on integrating the area of elliptical cross-sections, while others have raised questions about the assumptions regarding the type of cone being analyzed.

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Participants note that the problem assumes a right cone, but there is discussion about the generality of the volume formula, suggesting that it may apply to cones with self-similar cross sections as well.

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Find the volume of the right cone of height 9 whose base is an ellipse. Major axis 12 and minor axis 6.
 
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use the formula for the volume of a cone.
 
arildno said:
use the formula for the volume of a cone.

I didn't know there was a formula for the volume of a cone with a non-circular base!

Hmm- I guess there will be once we do the integral!

nyfan0729: At height "y" above the base of the cone, a cross section will be an ellipse with major axis of length (2/3)(9- y) and minor axis of length (1/3)(9-y): that would have area
[tex]\frac{2\pi}{9}(9-y)^2[/tex]

It should be easy to integrate that from y= 0 to 9.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I didn't know there was a formula for the volume of a cone with a non-circular base!
If it is done correctly, it is one third of the product of the base area and the height (a right cone is, of course, assumed):

Let (x,y) be an arbitrary point in the base area A lying in the plane z=0, and for simplicity, let the position of the apex be (0,0,h), where h is the height,

Thus, the cone may be represented as:
[tex]\vec{F}(x,y,t)=((x,y,0)-(0,0,h))t+(0,0,h)=(xt,yt,h(1-t)), (x,y)\in{A}, 0\leq{t}\leq{1}[/tex]
The Jacobian is [itex]ht^{2}[/tex], from which the volume formula follows:<br /> [tex]V=\int{dV}=\iint_{A}\int_{0}^{1}t^{2}hdtdA=\frac{h}{3}\iint_{A}dA=\frac{Ah}{3}[/tex][/itex]
 
Arildno,

I believe the result is even more general than that. You don't have to assume a "right cone." As long as the horizontal cross sections of the cone are self-similar then you'll get the same result.
 
Tide said:
Arildno,
I believe the result is even more general than that. You don't have to assume a "right cone." As long as the horizontal cross sections of the cone are self-similar then you'll get the same result.
I assumed a "right cone" since that was assumed in the exercise.
You are right, of course..:wink:
 
But it's obviously half the volume of a right circular cone of diameter 12 because it's just compressed to half size in the direction of the minor axis, so [tex]\frac{\pi 6^2}{2.3}[/tex]
 
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