Applications of Double Integrals: Centroids and Symmetry

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The discussion revolves around finding the center of mass of a lamina defined by specific circular regions, with a density function that is inversely proportional to the distance from the origin. Participants are examining the implications of symmetry in both the region of integration and the density function.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the reasoning behind using symmetry of the region versus the density function for determining the center of mass. There is a discussion on how different density functions could affect the balancing point, particularly when considering antisymmetric functions.

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The conversation is exploring different interpretations of symmetry in relation to the problem. Some participants agree with the original poster's concerns, while others are providing additional insights into the nature of symmetry in the context of the density function and the region.

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There is an emphasis on the characteristics of the density function and its impact on the center of mass, as well as the specific circular regions defined by the problem. The discussion reflects a mix of assumptions about symmetry and its implications for the solution.

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Homework Statement


A lamina occupies the region inside the circle x2+y2=2y but outside the circle x2+y2=1. Find the center of mass if the density at any point is inversely proportional to its distance from the origin.

Here is the solution:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64325990/MATH%20253/Centroids.PNG

Why does it say by symmetry of the region of integration. Shouldn't it be by symmetry of the density function p(x,y) = k/root(x2+y2)?

For example what if our p(x,y) = x. Even though the region D is symmetric, the mass is no longer symmetric and the balancing point is no longer at x = 0. Am I right?

Thanks
 
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theBEAST said:

Homework Statement


A lamina occupies the region inside the circle x2+y2=2y but outside the circle x2+y2=1. Find the center of mass if the density at any point is inversely proportional to its distance from the origin.

Here is the solution:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64325990/MATH%20253/Centroids.PNG

Why does it say by symmetry of the region of integration. Shouldn't it be by symmetry of the density function p(x,y) = k/root(x2+y2)?

For example what if our p(x,y) = x. Even though the region D is symmetric, the mass is no longer symmetric and the balancing point is no longer at x = 0. Am I right?

Thanks
Yes, you are correct !
 
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To reinstill faith in your textbook, it could be read as:

Symmetry of D,

and since f(x)=x.

Or even that f(x)=x is antisymmetric, perhaps a type of symmetry.
 
You need the symmetry of both ##\rho(x,y)## and D. The density ##\rho(x,y)## is generally positive, so the only symmetry you can have is even symmetry. When multiplied by x, you get an odd integrand which then integrates to 0 because D is symmetric.
 

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