Are Deep Space Objects Still There?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of deep space objects as perceived through light that has traveled vast distances over time. Participants explore the implications of observing these objects in the present tense despite the light having left them millions or billions of years ago, questioning how we can ascertain their current existence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that referring to distant objects in the present tense may be a convenience, as the light we see left those objects long ago, raising questions about their current existence.
  • Another participant notes that most stars we can resolve are within our galaxy, and thus, their lifecycle stages can be predicted based on stellar evolution models, implying that they likely still exist in a similar state.
  • For more distant objects, such as galaxies, participants argue that while they have evolved since the light left them, models exist to predict their current states, including potential mergers.
  • One participant mentions that astronomers may not prioritize the current status of the farthest objects, as any information from them cannot travel faster than light, suggesting that observations of nearby galaxies are more relevant for understanding the universe's current state.
  • Another participant discusses the visibility of individual stars in neighboring galaxies and the role of Cepheid variables and type Ia supernovae in measuring distances and understanding cosmic expansion.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of recognizing that objects at the edge of the observable universe are not necessarily older than those nearby, reflecting on the complexity of understanding cosmic time and distance.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the implications of observing deep space objects and their current existence, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the lifecycle of stars and the evolution of galaxies are discussed, but limitations regarding the accuracy of predictions and the nature of observational data are acknowledged without resolution.

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The light by which we see distant deep space objects left those objects thousands, millions, even billions of years ago, yet we speak of them in the present tense, Perhaps this is just a convenience; they may be more accurately referred to in the past tense. In any event, given that the light forming the images we see actually left the objects so long ago, how do we know they still exist?
 
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basically all stars we can resolve individually are located in our own galaxy, so none of them is further than approximately 150 000 light years, so for those farest away we see them as they appeared 150 000 years ago. This is quite short period comparing to lifecycle of most of stars, so almost all of them still exist in the same stage as we see them, but a small part might have evolved meanwhile to another stages of their life, including stellar remnants. But we have models of stellar evolution so we can predict their current stage.
 
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For the objects further away, we talk about galaxies. They would still exist, evolved however (depending on their observed distance), some of them merged. Anyway we have models for that as well, so we can predict that.
 
btw I think astronomers are probably not so interested in the "current" status of the farest objects. Any information originated at those object cannot travel faster than light, including any gravitational influence, they might have on us. If astronomers want know how the galaxies in the universe looks right now, they just observe our close neighborhood.
 
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Individual stars in neighboring galaxies can be seen by telescope. The Cepheid variables give the information needed for distance. In distant galaxies, type Ia supernovae are visible - their observation led to the observation that expansion of the universe is speeding up.
 
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mathman said:
Individual stars in neighboring galaxies can be seen by telescope. The Cepheid variables give the information needed for distance. In distant galaxies, type Ia supernovae are visible - their observation led to the observation that expansion of the universe is speeding up.

Correct, I should have added "by naked eye" in my first post to be clear. I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that OP's thoughts emerged when looking at the night sky with all its beauty and majesty, as usually is my case :)
 
lomidrevo said:
If astronomers want know how the galaxies in the universe looks right now, they just observe our close neighborhood.

I sometimes fall into the trap of forgetting that objects at the edge of the observable universe, per the hypothetical co-moving clock, are not actually older than objects right next door. A comment like the one you made is a great anchor for my intuition.
 
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