Are Multiple Current Loops Linear?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of magnetic fields generated by multiple current loops, specifically whether these fields can be considered to add together linearly. The scope includes theoretical considerations and potential complications arising from interactions between loops.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the magnetic fields from multiple current loops add linearly under certain conditions, particularly in a classical context.
  • Others suggest that while the fields may add linearly to first order, interactions between the loops and external magnetic fields could induce electromotive forces (emfs) that complicate this linearity.
  • A participant raises the question of how to approach the problem when considering coupling between loops, indicating that the law of Biot and Savart may not apply in such cases.
  • One participant provides a mathematical formulation for two coupled loops, illustrating how the induced emfs depend on the magnetic flux between the loops, suggesting that the complexity increases with the number of loops.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that under certain assumptions, the magnetic fields can be considered to add linearly, but multiple competing views remain regarding the effects of coupling and interactions, leaving the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the absence of coupling and the dependence on specific configurations of the current loops. The discussion also highlights the complexity introduced by interactions, which may not be fully addressed.

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I assume that if one has several current loops that the magnetic fields that they generate just add together linearlly. Just want to make sure.
 
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Yup...that is how it looks to be (at least classically).
 
to first order they do, but I think the interaction between the current loops and other magnetic fields would induce emfs which would change the magnetic fields produced, and would further induce emfs, etc.

I suppose, if you assumed no coupling, the fields would just add linearly.
 
Matterwave said:
to first order they do, but I think the interaction between the current loops and other magnetic fields would induce emfs which would change the magnetic fields produced, and would further induce emfs, etc.

I suppose, if you assumed no coupling, the fields would just add linearly.

Interesting. How would you solve this problem with coupling? The law of Biot and Savart would not work. I guess you would hold the currents in the loops constant.
 
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For example, for 2 loops:

[tex]emf_1=\epsilon_1-\frac{d\Phi_{21}}{dt}[/tex]

[tex]emf_2=\epsilon_2-\frac{d\Phi_{12}}{dt}[/tex]

Where [tex]\Phi_{12}[/tex] that's the flux on 2 due to 1 and vice versa. It's a coupled differential equation. If you had 3 loops, you'd just have more terms and more equations. Don't quote me on this, it's been a while since I've done this stuff :P.
 

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