Are Oblique Coordinate Systems More Useful Than Orthogonal Systems in 2-D Space?

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The discussion revolves around the utility of oblique coordinate systems compared to orthogonal systems in 2-D space. Participants explore the definitions and characteristics of coordinate systems, particularly focusing on the implications of using non-orthogonal axes and the conditions under which they may be advantageous.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether two intersecting lines can constitute a coordinate system and discuss the implications of such a configuration regarding the number of quadrants.
  • There is a suggestion that both orthogonal and oblique coordinate systems can be physically the same in terms of rotational symmetry, depending on the orientation of the axes.
  • Participants note that a formal mathematical definition of a coordinate system allows for various configurations, including those that are non-orthogonal.
  • Some argue that oblique coordinates can be advantageous in specific scenarios, such as when special information is given along the non-orthogonal lines or in solving certain types of differential equations.
  • Concerns are raised about the loss of symmetry in non-orthogonal systems compared to orthogonal systems, which may affect their utility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the utility and characteristics of oblique versus orthogonal coordinate systems. There is no consensus on the advantages of oblique systems, as some participants highlight potential benefits while others emphasize the loss of symmetry.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of using non-orthogonal axes and the conditions under which they may be more useful, but the specific requirements for making oblique systems advantageous remain unclear and unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring coordinate systems in mathematics and physics, particularly in the context of 2-D space and applications involving differential equations.

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In a coordinate system two axes are inclined at an acute angle θ. Is this coordinate system different from a coordinate system in which the axes are inclined at an angle (180 - θ)? if we look at the four quardents in either of the above set of axes, both are included giving the impression that the two are same. Is that true?
 
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I'm not sure if I understand you question but regarding rotational symmetry both systems are physically the same(disrigarding direccions on the axes)
 
facenian said:
I'm not sure if I understand you question but regarding rotational symmetry both systems are physically the same(disrigarding direccions on the axes)

Let me pose my question in a different way. Do two intersecting lines constitue a coordinate system?

1. If yes, does it have four quardents? or just one region in which coordinates of any point has positive numbers (for example (3.23,4)) only?

2. If no, then what constitutes a cordinate system?
 
rkmurtyp said:
Let me pose my question in a different way. Do two intersecting lines constitute a coordinate system?
Yes, they can serve as the axes of a coordinate system. There's a formal mathematical definition of "coordinate system" which is very general and allows for all sorts of weird configurations.

does it have four quardents? or just one region in which coordinates of any point has positive numbers (for example (3.23,4)) only?

Four regions.
 
Nugatory said:
Yes, they can serve as the axes of a coordinate system. There's a formal mathematical definition of "coordinate system" which is very general and allows for all sorts of weird configurations.



Four regions.

What advantage do we get in an arbitrary 2-D coordinate system that we don't get in a 2-D orthogonal coordinate system?

The beautiful symmetry we have in an ortogonal coordinate system is lost in a non orthogonal (for example an oblique) coordinate system. Hence my problem (question) above.
 
Oblique coordinates can be useful if there are two non-orthogonal lines upon which you are given special information. Another example is in solving a hyperbolic differential equation where it would simplify the equation to use the characteristic lines as axes. And they are not generally orthogonal.

Also, while one can always find coordinates on a general surface that are orthogonal at a specific point but not generally orthogonal anywhere else.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Oblique coordinates can be useful if there are two non-orthogonal lines upon which you are given special information. Another example is in solving a hyperbolic differential equation where it would simplify the equation to use the characteristic lines as axes. And they are not generally orthogonal.

Also, while one can always find coordinates on a general surface that are orthogonal at a specific point but not generally orthogonal anywhere else.

I am only interested in understanding analyses in 2-D space. So, please let me know, if I have two non orthogonal lines, what special information is required to make that coordinate system more useful in comparision to the orthogonal coordinate system?
 

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