Are there any intermediate mechanics books between Goldstein and Arnold?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying intermediate mechanics books that bridge the gap between Goldstein's classical mechanics and Arnold's more abstract approach. Participants explore the formalism and difficulty of various texts, as well as preparatory knowledge needed for Arnold's book.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks recommendations for books that are more advanced than Goldstein but less abstract than Arnold.
  • Another participant suggests "Classical Dynamics: A Contemporary Approach" by Jose and Saletan as a suitable alternative to Arnold, noting that it may cover more material.
  • There is a mention that Arnold's book requires knowledge of differential geometry for better understanding.
  • One participant questions the level of Saletan's book, initially believing it to be at the same level as Goldstein, but later acknowledges it may offer deeper explanations.
  • Discussion includes "Structure and Interpretation of Classical Mechanics" by Sussman, with mixed opinions on its value and its advanced nature compared to Goldstein and Saletan.
  • Some participants express that while Sussman's book contains interesting content, it may not be essential for a physicist's understanding of classical mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best intermediate book, with multiple competing views on the suitability of Saletan's and Sussman's works. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of specific knowledge areas for approaching Arnold's book.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying opinions on the depth and necessity of the content in the suggested books, indicating a lack of agreement on what constitutes essential knowledge in classical mechanics.

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Hi.

I already had a first course on classical mechanics (lets say it was a Goldstein-level course) and I'd like to step up and read advanced, more "mathy" books. I've tried reading Arnold's book and it was frustratingly abstract.

Is there any other books that you could place between Goldstein and Arnold, in terms of formalism and difficulty?

Also, what would be the best way to prepare myself for Arnold's? That is, given that it appears to have been written for mathematicians, should I first get a solid understanding of topology or functional analysis?

Thanks.
 
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I checked Arnold's. I should say its not a book that contains "must-knows" of classical mechanics. I mean, of course there are interesting and important things in that book but a physicist doesn't have to know them. Instead of Arnold's, I suggest "Classical Dynamics:A contemporary approach" by Jose and Saletan.
But if you want to read Arnold's anyway, then you need some knowledge of differential geometry.
 
Thanks, I had heard of Saletan, but I thought it was at the same level as Goldstein. I'll check it out.

I forgot to ask about "Structure and Interpretation of Classical Mechanics", by Sussman. It is written from a computer science point of view, using snippets of computer code (in Scheme) to maximize clarity. I would welcome opinions on its value, if anyone has any.
 
carllacan said:
Thanks, I had heard of Saletan, but I thought it was at the same level as Goldstein. I'll check it out.
Actually you're almost correct. But it seems to me that from place to place, you can find deeper explanations. Also Saletan and Jose cover more.

carllacan said:
I forgot to ask about "Structure and Interpretation of Classical Mechanics", by Sussman. It is written from a computer science point of view, using snippets of computer code (in Scheme) to maximize clarity. I would welcome opinions on its value, if anyone has any.
I checked that too. It seems to me its more advanced than both Goldstein's and Saletan's. But the point is, it again contains things that you don't really need to know. If you ask me, to be able to apply classical mechanics broadly and effectively, Goldstein's and then Saletan's will do.
 

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