Textbook for Classical Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for textbooks on Classical Mechanics for self-study, particularly after reading Kleppner and Kolenkow. Participants explore the suitability of various texts, including Symon, Fowles, Marion & Thornton, Goldstein, Landau, Arnold, and Finn, while considering the depth of conceptual understanding and problem-solving skills required.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the order of reading Classical Mechanics texts after Kleppner and Kolenkow, asking if Symon can be read next or if intermediate texts like Fowles or Marion & Thornton are necessary.
  • Another participant suggests that Symon, Fowles & Cassiday, and Marion & Thornton are at a similar level, indicating that any of them can follow Kleppner & Kolenkow based on personal preference.
  • A different participant argues that Symon is more advanced than Fowles and Marion & Thornton.
  • One participant inquires whether Finn's Classical Mechanics is a suitable substitute for Goldstein, emphasizing the need for a clear and concise treatment of Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics.
  • Another participant critiques Goldstein for its treatment of anholonomous constraints, suggesting that Landau & Lifshitz is more straightforward, while noting Arnold's focus on mathematical physics.
  • A participant shares their experience with Finn's book, mentioning that it was recommended for exercises but did not have time to read it thoroughly, suggesting that more reading leads to greater understanding.
  • Several recommendations for other texts are provided, including Landau, Goldstein, Walter Greiner, M.G. Calkin, and Hand & Finch, with varying opinions on their accessibility and depth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the relative difficulty and suitability of various textbooks, indicating that there is no consensus on the best order or choice of texts for studying Classical Mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of personal preference and prior mathematical background in selecting textbooks, highlighting the subjective nature of textbook recommendations in the context of Classical Mechanics.

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I am self studying Classical Mechanics and I am a bit confused about this. After reading Kleppner Kolenkow Mechanics can I read Symon's Mechanics or do I need to read anything in between like Fowels or Marion&Thornton? I already studied the Maths portion upto Multivariable Calculus,Real Analysis, Vector Analysis ODE and also PDE, Linear Algebra, Abstract Algebra. Just confused about the Physics. The books must follow a order so that I can really go deep into the conceptual part of Physics and problem solving also.
Then I want to read Goldstein, Landau and Arnold's book.
Any suggestions?

Thanks.
ATR.
 
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ATR said:
After reading Kleppner Kolenkow Mechanics can I read Symon's Mechanics or do I need to read anything in between like Fowels or Marion&Thornton?
Symon, Fowles & Cassiday and Marion & Thornton are at a similar level level (upper-level undergraduate), so you can use any of them after Kleppner & Kolenkow. It's basically a matter of personal preference.

I never taught that course myself, but a colleague used Marion & Thornton for many years. When I was an undergraduate, I used Fowles (an old edition before Cassiday came along), but that was long enough ago that I really don't remember much about it.
 
Thanks, but from my experience, Symon is a bit more advanced than the other two.
 
Also after Symon, I am planning to read Goldstein and then Landau or Arnold's book. Will Finn's Classical Mechanics be a good substitute for Goldstein? Or is Goldstein better? What I want is a typical textbook like treatment(but it should be clear, concise, conceptual and should have a collection of good problems) of Lagrangian and Hamiltonian.

Thanks.
ATR
 
Why Goldstein with its misleading treatment of anholonomous constraints (who knows what else is flawed). Landau&Lifshitz is very good. As all the volumes it treats the physics straight to the point. Arnold is about another subject, namely mathematical physics, and for that it's the best book concerning classical mechanics.
 
What about Finn's Classical Mechanics?
 
I haven't read Finn's book yet, but when I took Theoretical Mechanics (upper level of Classical Mechanics) course, my exercises-teacher (different from theory-teacher) told us to read and do exercises in Landau, Calkin and Finn's book, because they were very good books, but I just read Landau on theory class and did exercises in Calkin and Goldstein book, didn't have enough time to read Finn. So, just give it a try if you have enough time, the more that you read, the more things you will know ^^
And I see that you've asked about Lagrangian and Hamiltonian, that's Theoretical Mechanics. For Theoretical Mechanics, I recommend you to read some books (just recommend, it depends on you, your teacher, and maybe members in this 4rum):
1. Landau, one of the most famous book in this field. Concise, sometimes you will scratch your head all day long because you don't know why he could have this result. :headbang::headbang::headbang: Then your teacher comes up and everything will be ok :bow:
2. Goldstein. For me, it's easier than Landau, but still hard, need time and effort.
3. Walter Greiner. He has written a lot of books from classical to modern, and he has written 2 books about classical mechanics, but I recommend you to read the one called Classical Mechanics: Systems of Particles and Hamiltonian Dynamics
4. Lagrangian and Hamiltonian Mechanics by M.G.Calkin. Nice and well-written book, most of my exercises were taken from this book
5. Analytical Mechanics by Hand & Finch. For me it's well-written too, but I see that it is not appreciated on Amazon
6. V.I.Arnold. It's hard for me but it will be ok if you have a very good mathematical background. :confused::confused::confused:
Whatever books you read, you still need to spend a lot of time and effort.
Good luck and try your best :wink:
 
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