Medical Are thoughts self contained, or do they emit indications of their production?

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The discussion centers on the potential for detecting thoughts through brain activity, questioning whether particles in the brain emit detectable signals during thought processes. The concept of using spectroscopy to read thoughts is challenged due to the limitations of light emissions being obstructed by the brain itself and the need for tracking bioelectrical signals and biochemistry. While spectroscopy may not be viable, imaging techniques like magnetoencephalography are suggested as future possibilities for monitoring brain activity with greater resolution. The conversation highlights the ongoing challenges related to the hard problem of consciousness and the current technological limitations in neuroscience.
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let me preface: i know nothing about neuroscience.

it seems that at a fundamental level, everything is either detectable, or you can theorize about ways to detect it. shouldn't particles (neurons or whatever) in the brain emit waves, or any kind of signal, that indicate their interactions when thoughts are produced? then maybe you can use spectroscopy techniques of known thoughts and their emission patterns to read thoughts?
 
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What you encountering here is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness" ) but we don't yet have the technology to have the resolution to monitor each action potential in the brain at once.

I don't think spectroscopy could work considering that the brain is in the way of the light emissions (which may not correlate to neural network activity) and we would need to track bioelectrical signals/biochemistry. I'm not sure if they could provide the resolution or not but imaging techniques such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoencephalography" may one day provide the tools we need.
 
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ryan_m_b said:
What you encountering here is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness" ) but we don't yet have the technology to have the resolution to monitor each action potential in the brain at once.

I don't think spectroscopy could work considering that the brain is in the way of the light emissions (which may not correlate to neural network activity) and we would need to track bioelectrical signals/biochemistry. I'm not sure if they could provide the resolution or not but imaging techniques such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoencephalography" may one day provide the tools we need.

this is an extremely adequate reply. i have a ton of stuff to read up on now. thank you!
 
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rjsbass said:
this is an extremely adequate reply. i have a ton of stuff to read up on now. thank you!

No problem :wink:
 
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