Are Waves Accelerated When They Start to Propagate?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of acceleration in waves, particularly sound waves, and whether they experience acceleration when they begin to propagate. Participants explore the relationship between wave velocity, acceleration, and the conditions affecting these properties, including medium density and temperature.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that sound waves do not have acceleration, questioning whether all waves share this characteristic due to their lack of mass.
  • Others argue that waves can have acceleration depending on the type of wave and the conditions, such as temperature changes affecting sound waves.
  • A participant states that if waves have velocity, they must have acceleration, as acceleration is defined as the derivative of velocity, but questions whether this acceleration is ever non-zero.
  • Another participant clarifies that a sound wave or seismic wave can have a constant velocity in a medium of constant density, suggesting that constant velocity does not imply acceleration.
  • One participant discusses how sound waves can change velocity when interacting with different media, such as bouncing off walls or traveling through varying densities, which could imply changes in acceleration.
  • A later reply raises the question of whether a wave accelerates when it begins to propagate, suggesting a specific context for considering wave acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether waves, particularly sound waves, experience acceleration. There is no consensus on the conditions under which waves may or may not have acceleration, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various conditions affecting wave behavior, such as medium density and temperature, but these factors are not fully explored or agreed upon. The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of velocity and acceleration that may not be universally accepted.

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I'm calculating a problem with motion equations. I need to use a motion equation for a sound wave (this is a simple problem of kinematics (fall of a rock) and I don't have any background about waves or harmonic motion)... So then I started to think... For intuition I know that sound doesn't have acceleration... But all waves don't have acceleration? Is it because they don't have mass?
 
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We know that a=v-v0/t so waves have acceleration but it depends on what kind of wave it is. For example sound wave have acceleration if we change temperature when sound created.
 
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Anama Skout said:
If you accept that waves has a velocity then surely you can conclude that it must have an acceleration since the latter is just the derivative of velocity.
Yes, but I think the question being asked, really, is does it ever have a NON-ZERO acceleration.
 
velocity is just a speed with direction, isn't it ? km/hr, metres/second with a given vector/direction
acceleration is an increasing speed or velocity eg acc due to gravity 9.81 m/s2

a sound wave or say a seismic wave has a constant velocity ( speed) through a constant density medium

I don't see how an object/wave having a constant velocity automatically infers it has an acceleration
which is what is being implied in posts 2 and 3Dave
 
Granger said:
I'm calculating a problem with motion equations. I need to use a motion equation for a sound wave (this is a simple problem of kinematics (fall of a rock) and I don't have any background about waves or harmonic motion)... So then I started to think... For intuition I know that sound doesn't have acceleration... But all waves don't have acceleration? Is it because they don't have mass?

Sound waves have acceleration the same way as other waves do. If nothing else, a sound wave bouncing off of a wall, means its velocity has changed through the bounce.

Also, as Lasha1 mentioned, the speed of sound depends on the material the waves are traveling through.

Here's a neat example:
Since the density of air decreases with altitude, the speed of sound decreases with altitude as well.
As a result, sounds initially propagating horizontally, also bend upward slightly as they travel further away.
This means that on a flat field sound will die off (a little) more quickly with distance than might be expected.
It also means that acoustic anomalies like "sound mirages" are theoretically possible in the same way as they work for light, though as for that, the distance scales needed might be orders of magnitude different.

Now that I think of it, you can do most anything to sound that you can do to light (polarization notwithstanding)

Since Helium is less dense than air, sound travels more slowly through it. This means a properly shaped balloon would work well as a sound lens. One could imagine an underwater sonar array as being an acoustic telescope.

The speed of sound also depends on the frequency of the sound wave. This means the right material could work as a prism for sound waves, though maybe only for a narrow range of frequencies.
Alternatively, an array of bars or holes could act as a diffraction grating for sound waves over the right range of wavelengths.

Indeed, we can even make beams of coherent sound, similar to how we can make laser light.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_amplification_by_stimulated_emission_of_radiation
 
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davenn said:
don't see how an object/wave having a constant velocity automatically infers it has an acceleration
which is what is being implied in posts 2 and 3
That sounds like an argument that zero is not a value
 
I'm wondering if the OP is referring to acceleration of a wave when it is formed? When wave starts to propagate does it accelerate up to it propagation velocity?
 

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