Area between two graphs as a sum

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The discussion revolves around calculating the area between two curves using a summation approach. The original poster presents a formula involving the sum of squares and attempts to express the area as a sum of rectangular approximations. The problem involves understanding the setup of the area calculation and the implications of the chosen method.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the reasoning behind the factor of 2 in the area calculation and question the number of terms used in the summation. There is discussion about the dependence of the width of rectangles (Δx) on the number of rectangles (n) and the implications of only calculating half the area.

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Several participants have provided insights and raised questions about the setup and calculations presented. There is an ongoing examination of the algebraic expressions and the correctness of the area values derived. No consensus has been reached regarding the final area calculation, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note that the curves intersect at specific points, which is relevant to the area calculation. There is also mention of homework constraints and the need to verify algebraic manipulations without providing direct solutions.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


$$1^2+2^2+3^2+...+n^2=\frac{n(n+1)(2n+1)}{6}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


$$S_n=2\{[f_1(x_1)-f_2(x_1)]\Delta x+[f_1(x_2)-f_2(x_2)]\Delta x+...+[f_1(x_{n-1})-f_2(x_{n-1})]\Delta x\}$$
$$S_n=2\{[18-\Delta x^2-\Delta x^2]+[18-(2\Delta x)^2-(2\Delta x)^2]+...+[18-(n-1)^2\Delta x^2-(n-1)^2\Delta x^2]\}$$
$$S_n=2\{\Delta x[(n-1)18-2(1^2+2^2+...+(n-1)^2)\Delta x]\}$$
If i develop exactly according to the formula in the Relevant Equations then it's wrong
 
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Three questions:
  1. Why the factor of 2 in front?
  2. Why only n-1 terms? Aren't there n rectangles?
  3. Did you take into account the fact that ##\Delta x## depends on ##n##?
Also, I think you dropped a factor of ##\Delta x## on the second term.
 
It would be nice to know what Eq7 is (perhaps it is your summation equation?). What is the area of interest? The two curves intersect at x = -3 and x = +3.
Yes as @vela mentioned, delta x would be equal to the total x range, divided by n.
 
I calculate only the right half and double the result.
vela said:
  1. Why the factor of 2 in front?
I calculate only the right half and double the result.
  1. Why only n-1 terms? Aren't there n rectangles?
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The rectangle at the last ##~\Delta x##, between x3 and x4 is a line, it has area 0, but if you wish...
$$\frac{1}{2}S_n=[18-\Delta x^2-\Delta x^2]+[18-(2\Delta x)^2-(2\Delta x)^2]+...+[18-(n\Delta x)^2-(n\Delta x)^2]$$
$$\Delta x=\frac{3}{n}$$
$$\frac{1}{2}S_n=\Delta x[18n-(1^2+2^2+...+n^2)]=...=\frac{9(n+\frac{1}{5})(n-\frac{1}{2})}{2n^2}~\rightarrow~\frac{9}{2}$$
While the area, on both sides of the y axis, totals to 104
 
Karol said:
$$\frac{1}{2}S_n=\Delta x[18n-(1^2+2^2+...+n^2)]=...=\frac{9(n+\frac{1}{5})(n-\frac{1}{2})}{2n^2}~\rightarrow~\frac{9}{2}$$
Your set-up (in the first post) is fine, but your expression for ##S_n## is wrong. All I can say is check your algebra.

While the area, on both sides of the y axis, totals to 104
You might want to recheck this value as well. I get 72.
 
$$\frac{1}{2}S_n=\Delta x[18n-2\Delta x^2(1^2+2^2+...+n^2)]=\frac{9}{n^2}(4n^2-3n-1)$$
Embarrassing but i don't know to solve it. the roots are 2 and -1/2 but when i substitute them ##~4n^2-3n-1\neq 0##
$$\int_{-3}^3 18-x^2-\int_{-3}^3 x^2=\int_{-3}^3 18=18x\vert _{-3}^3=18\cdot 6=104$$
 
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Correction:
$$\frac{1}{2}S_n=\Delta x[18n-2\Delta x^2(1^2+2^2+...+n^2)]=\frac{9}{n^2}(4n^2-3n-1)=\frac{9}{n^2}4(x+\frac{1}{4})(x-1)$$
$$\frac{1}{2}S_n~\rightarrow~36, ~~S_n~\rightarrow~72$$
$$\int_{-3}^3 18-x^2-\int_{-3}^3 x^2=\int_{-3}^3 18-2x^2=72$$
Thank you Vela
 
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