MHB What is the Correct Way to Calculate the Area of a Triangle?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the area of triangle ABC, initially leading to an incorrect area of 3200 cm² due to not dividing by 2 after multiplying base and height. The correct area is established as 1600 cm², with a subsequent analysis of triangle AED, leading to an equation xy/2 cm² = 800. Participants explore relationships between the dimensions of the triangles, eventually deriving a quadratic equation in standard form: x² - 40x - 400 = 0. The conversation concludes with skepticism about the values provided by an answer sheet, suggesting potential errors in the teacher's calculations.
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Let's go through this step by step...can you find the area of $$\triangle ABC$$ ?
 
MarkFL said:
Let's go through this step by step...can you find the area of $$\triangle ABC$$ ?

3200cm^2
 
Yazan975 said:
3200cm^2

That's not correct...how did you arrive at that answer?
 
MarkFL said:
That's not correct...how did you arrive at that answer?

1600cm^2?

For 3200 I multiplied Base and Height but didn't divide by 2
 
Yazan975 said:
1600cm^2?

For 3200 I multiplied Base and Height but didn't divide by 2

Okay, good...so what must the area of $$\triangle AED$$ be?
 
MarkFL said:
Okay, good...so what must the area of $$\triangle AED$$ be?

xy/2 cm^2
 
Yazan975 said:
xy/2 cm^2

Yes, that's correct in terms of \(x\) and \(y\), but we should also be able to assign a numeric value to its area based on the fact that the areas of the two shaded regions are the same. (Thinking)

This will give us an equation...can you state it?
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, that's correct in terms of \(x\) and \(y\), but we should also be able to assign a numeric value to its area based on the fact that the areas of the two shaded regions are the same. (Thinking)

This will give us an equation...can you state it?

xy/2 cm^2 = 800
xy = 1600

Is that right?
 
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Yazan975 said:
xy/2 cm^2 = 800
xy = 1600

Is that right?

Excellent! (Yes)

Okay, now the next thing I notice is that within $$\triangle ABC$$ there are two similar triangles, with $$\triangle AED$$ being the smaller of the two. This means we may state:

$$\frac{y}{x}=\frac{40}{x+10}$$

Do you see where this comes from?

What I would do here is solve both equations we now have for \(y\), and equate the two results to get an equation in \(x\)...can you state this equation?
 
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MarkFL said:
Excellent! (Yes)

Okay, now the next thing I notice is that within $$\triangle ABC$$ there are two similar triangles, with $$\triangle AED$$ being the smaller of the two. This means we may state:

$$\frac{y}{x}=\frac{40}{x+10}$$

Do you see where this comes from?

What I would do here is solve both equations we now have for \(y\), and equate the two results to get an equation in \(x\)...can you state this equation?

I see where it comes from but problem is I got stuck at 40x = 1600+10y
I couldn't get an equation in terms of x

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I see where it comes from but problem is I got stuck at 40x = 1600+10y
I couldn't get an equation in terms of x

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I see where it comes from but problem is I got stuck at 40x = 1600+10y
I couldn't get an equation in terms of x
 
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Yazan975 said:
I see where it comes from but problem is I got stuck at 40x = 1600+10y
I couldn't get an equation in terms of x

I would solve the second equation for \(y\) to obtain:

$$y=\frac{40x}{x+10}$$

And solving our first equation for \(y\) we have:

$$y=\frac{1600}{x}$$

Hence:

$$\frac{40x}{x+10}=\frac{1600}{x}$$

This results in a quadratic in \(x\)...can you write the equation in standard quadratic form?
 
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Yeah, here's the formula:

x^2-40x-400=0(after dividing the equation by 40)

Hence, x=20??

Thing is my answer sheet says y= 30 and x=50
 
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Yazan975 said:
Yeah, here's the formula:

x^2-40x-400=0(after dividing the equation by 40)

Yes, that equation is correct.

Yazan975 said:
Hence, x=20??

Thing is my answer sheet says y= 30 and x=50

I would use the quadratic formula to solve the equation, and you'll find a different value for \(x\), after discarding the negative root. Can you find this value?

I don't see how \(x\) and \(y\) can differ by 20 though, and the values for \(x\) and \(y\) given by your answer sheet cannot be correct.
 
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MarkFL said:
I don't see how \(x\) and \(y\) can differ by 20 though, and the values for \(x\) and \(y\) given by your answer sheet cannot be correct.
Agree. Anyhow, the difference between x and y is not required as a given.
Looks like the math teacher that made that up "eyed" 50 and 30 !
 

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