Array of underwater transducers for sound massage

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of an underwater sound massage system utilizing an array of underwater sound transducers. Participants explore the specifications and feasibility of such a system, including the frequency range and intensity of sound waves, as well as the technical challenges associated with beamforming.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, lost_in_space, proposes the need for a broadband transducer capable of producing sound waves in the range of 200 Hz to 30 kHz with an intensity of around 60 dB, and suggests that different transducers may be needed for low and high frequencies.
  • Another participant argues that high frequencies dissipate in water and suggests a much lower frequency range of 0.2 to 3 Hz for effective underwater massage, emphasizing the need to think of these frequencies as pistons displacing water rather than sonic transducers.
  • There is a mention of existing underwater arrays used for sonar and fishfinders, indicating that similar technology is already in use, but the implications for marine life are also raised.
  • One participant inquires about the progress of lost_in_space's project, indicating interest in the practical application of the discussed ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate frequency range for underwater sound massage, with no consensus reached on the specifications or the feasibility of the proposed system.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully agree on the technical specifications required for the transducers, and there are unresolved questions regarding the impact of high-frequency sound on both the intended application and marine life.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in underwater acoustics, sound therapy, engineering applications of transducers, and the environmental impact of sound in aquatic environments may find this discussion relevant.

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hello,

since a while my mind is caught by an idea. This idea is concerned with underwater sound massage system.

For this purpose i would like to build an array of underwater sound transducers, which can all be steered individually (to do a coarse beam forming).


However, since i am not an engineer it is difficult for me to evaluate which transducers are appropriate for the application i have in mind and would be very greatful if someone here could comment on my guesses:

I need a broadband transducer that is capable to produce sound waves in a very broad range (200 Hz - 30khz) and with sound intensity around 60 db. It may be also possible to use different transducers for low and high frequencies. However, in order to do beamforming at a frequency of 30kHz the distance of the transducers must be around 5 cm. thus the transducer sizes must be quite small. (the most appropriate transducers i found were from the company benthowave, can anyone comment on this)

I would be very greatful if anyone could comment on the spezifications i have in mind.




best regards,

lost_in_space
 
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High frequencies tend to dissipate, both in the water and in the body. Therefore, high frequency massage is a bit of an oxymoron. So instead of 200-30K Hz, I would suggest 0.2-3 Hz.

Those frequencies are best though of as pistons displacing water, not as sonic transducers.
 
lost_in_space said:
hello,

since a while my mind is caught by an idea. This idea is concerned with underwater sound massage system.

For this purpose i would like to build an array of underwater sound transducers, which can all be steered individually (to do a coarse beam forming).However, since i am not an engineer it is difficult for me to evaluate which transducers are appropriate for the application i have in mind and would be very greatful if someone here could comment on my guesses:

I need a broadband transducer that is capable to produce sound waves in a very broad range (200 Hz - 30khz) and with sound intensity around 60 db. It may be also possible to use different transducers for low and high frequencies. However, in order to do beamforming at a frequency of 30kHz the distance of the transducers must be around 5 cm. thus the transducer sizes must be quite small. (the most appropriate transducers i found were from the company benthowave, can anyone comment on this)

I would be very greatful if anyone could comment on the spezifications i have in mind.

best regards,

lost_in_space
Hi there. Did you ever get anywhere with you underwater acoustic sound array?
 
Of course, these arrays are used for sonar for military and also for fishfinders etc.
Poor creatures like whales have to endure our activities.
 
tech99 said:
Of course, these arrays are used for sonar for military and also for fishfinders etc.
Poor creatures like whales have to endure our activities.
I know they exist, I guess I was just wondering if lost_in_space ever got his project off the ground. As for the animals, I agree with you. It must be worse than Times Square down there as for noise.
 

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