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The discussion revolves around the concept of natural rights as articulated by Thomas Paine, exploring the origins, definitions, and implications of these rights. Participants examine the philosophical underpinnings of rights, their societal interpretations, and the historical context surrounding the notion of rights during the American Revolution.

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  • One participant questions the nature of rights, suggesting that they are determined by societal consensus rather than inherent qualities, referencing legal and ethical frameworks.
  • Another participant connects Paine's ideas to Jefferson's notion of "unalienable rights," noting the historical context and the influence of these concepts during the American Revolution.
  • A participant raises the issue of the role of God in the concept of rights, questioning whether the removal of a divine element would negate the existence of rights.
  • Further discussion highlights the contrast between "natural rights" and "synthetic rights," emphasizing the philosophical implications of these terms in relation to human equality and societal norms.

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Participants express differing views on the nature and origin of rights, with some supporting Paine's perspective on natural rights while others argue for a more socially constructed understanding of rights. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

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The discussion reflects varying interpretations of rights, including the influence of historical context and philosophical debates surrounding the existence and definition of natural rights versus socially constructed rights.

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At least I think the question goes here...

I was reading about Thomas Paine, and something caught my eye...
Human rights originate in Nature, thus, rights cannot be granted via political charter, because that implies that rights are legally revocable, hence, would be privileges:

What did Thomas Paine mean, by Natural rights? What are these rights?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_Man"
 
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I disagree with Paine so the closest answer I can give you is:

whatever society (including politicians and the guy that's holding a gun to your head to rob you for your money) decides they are. Put more intelligently by somebody else:

Rights are legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement. That is to say, rights are normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people, according to some legal system, social convention, or ethical theory. The concept of rights is often fundamental to civilized societies, and it is of vital importance in such disciplines as law and ethics, especially theories of justice and deontology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights
 


I'm not sure, but he may have been talking about "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" which Jefferson described as "unalienable rights" "endowed by their creator". The idea of natural rights was not exactly new at the time, but gained prominence in the american revolution and was popularized worldwide in no small part by Mr Jefferson's poetic choice of words. To this day many other countries use the exact same phrase in their own constitutions.
 


If you then remove God, humans suddenly lose their rights? I know Thomas Paine wasn't the most religious man of his time.
 


peron said:
If you then remove God, humans suddenly lose their rights? I know Thomas Paine wasn't the most religious man of his time.

No he wasn't, but like today the vast majority of Americans were and that was his audience.

I suppose you could argue that "supernatural rights" is a better term if they are handed down from on high, however, it is the context of its traditional juxtaposition with the "synthetic" (ie-manmade) that gives the term "natural rights" its meaning.

Hence Jefferson began his statement with: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." Obviously some of us are born in better health than others and in other ways not exactly created equal, but the assertion is that what is self-evident is that we are all equally human. This is in stark contrast to the then common belief at the time that monarchs were not merely human, but at least partially divine, as well as to the common idea that some races were subhuman.
 

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