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The discussion centers on Thomas Paine's concept of natural rights, which he argues originate from nature and cannot be granted or revoked by political entities, as this would reduce them to privileges. Participants explore the definition of rights, emphasizing that they are legal, social, or ethical principles that dictate what is permissible or owed to individuals within a society. The conversation references the phrase "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," attributed to Jefferson, highlighting its roots in the idea of unalienable rights. The dialogue also touches on the implications of removing a divine basis for rights, questioning whether this would lead to a loss of rights. Additionally, the contrast between natural rights and manmade rights is discussed, with a focus on the assertion of equality among all humans, challenging historical beliefs about divine monarchy and racial hierarchies.
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At least I think the question goes here...

I was reading about Thomas Paine, and something caught my eye...
Human rights originate in Nature, thus, rights cannot be granted via political charter, because that implies that rights are legally revocable, hence, would be privileges:

What did Thomas Paine mean, by Natural rights? What are these rights?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_Man"
 
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I disagree with Paine so the closest answer I can give you is:

whatever society (including politicians and the guy that's holding a gun to your head to rob you for your money) decides they are. Put more intelligently by somebody else:

Rights are legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement. That is to say, rights are normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people, according to some legal system, social convention, or ethical theory. The concept of rights is often fundamental to civilized societies, and it is of vital importance in such disciplines as law and ethics, especially theories of justice and deontology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights
 


I'm not sure, but he may have been talking about "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" which Jefferson described as "unalienable rights" "endowed by their creator". The idea of natural rights was not exactly new at the time, but gained prominence in the american revolution and was popularized worldwide in no small part by Mr Jefferson's poetic choice of words. To this day many other countries use the exact same phrase in their own constitutions.
 


If you then remove God, humans suddenly lose their rights? I know Thomas Paine wasn't the most religious man of his time.
 


peron said:
If you then remove God, humans suddenly lose their rights? I know Thomas Paine wasn't the most religious man of his time.

No he wasn't, but like today the vast majority of Americans were and that was his audience.

I suppose you could argue that "supernatural rights" is a better term if they are handed down from on high, however, it is the context of its traditional juxtaposition with the "synthetic" (ie-manmade) that gives the term "natural rights" its meaning.

Hence Jefferson began his statement with: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." Obviously some of us are born in better health than others and in other ways not exactly created equal, but the assertion is that what is self-evident is that we are all equally human. This is in stark contrast to the then common belief at the time that monarchs were not merely human, but at least partially divine, as well as to the common idea that some races were subhuman.
 
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