At what angle does a ball on a massless pendulum reach equilibrium?

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The problem involves a massless pendulum where a ball is released from a horizontal position and reaches a point where the tension in the rod equals the weight of the ball. The original poster is attempting to determine the angle from the vertical at which this equilibrium occurs, noting a discrepancy between their calculation and the answer provided in a textbook.

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  • The original poster outlines their approach using energy conservation and centripetal force equations, leading to a calculated angle. Some participants question the addition of 45° to the angle calculation, seeking clarification on the definitions of angles from the horizontal versus vertical.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of angle measurement and its implications on the solution. There is no explicit consensus reached regarding the correct angle calculation, but participants are engaging with the problem and each other's reasoning.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of angles in relation to the pendulum's position, which may affect their calculations and interpretations. The original poster references a specific textbook problem, indicating a potential source of confusion or differing methodologies.

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Homework Statement



A rod of neligeable mass is released from the horizontal position. As a ball at the end of the rod falls, it reaches a point at which the tension, T, in the rod equals the ball's weight. At what angle from the vertical does this occur. I am not getting the same answer as my book--Halliday and Resnick 7th ed, problem 69, p 195.


Homework Equations



Let the vertical height the ball falls, h, h = R sinθ where R is the length of the rod.
Fnet on the ball = ma = T - Fg. T = mg(weight of ball). Fg = mgsinθ.
ma = mv^2/R(centripetal force).
So if T = mg, then mg = mv^2/R + mgsinθ and hence sinθ = 1 - v^2/Rg.

The Attempt at a Solution



Forging on, 1/2mv^2 = mgh because the kinetic energy of the ball equals the gravitational work done on the ball at the point in question.
So v^2 = 2Rgsinθ.
Solving for θ, sinθ = 1 - 2Rgsinθ/Rg, 3sinθ = 1, θ = 19.47°
Thus the angle from the vertical is 45° + 19.5° = 64.5°.
The book gives ans answer of 71°
 
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tomstringer said:
So v^2 = 2Rgsinθ.
Solving for θ, sinθ = 1 - 2Rgsinθ/Rg, 3sinθ = 1, θ = 19.47°
Thus the angle from the vertical is 45° + 19.5° = 64.5°.
Not sure why you are adding 45°. θ is the angle from the horizontal.
 
θ, the angle from the horizontal, was used to simplify the solution. Since the question asks, "what is the angle from the vertical" I added 45°.
 
tomstringer said:
θ, the angle from the horizontal, was used to simplify the solution. Since the question asks, "what is the angle from the vertical" I added 45°.
So you think the angle between vertical and horizontal is 45°? :wink:
 
Try this: If something makes an angle of 0° with the horizontal what angle does it make with the vertical?
 
Done. Thanks.
 

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