At What Temperature in °F Will the Turkey Be Done?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the temperature at which a turkey will be done, using a pop-up turkey thermometer. Participants explore the application of gas laws, specifically the Ideal Gas Law and the combined gas law, to determine the temperature based on pressure changes and volume considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the initial conditions and attempts to apply the Ideal Gas Law, expressing uncertainty about the need for certain equations.
  • Another participant suggests using the relationship P1/T1 = P2/T2, indicating that it may simplify the calculations without needing to convert units to atm.
  • A different participant expresses confusion over a calculated temperature of -459°F, suggesting that the initial pressure and temperature values were misapplied.
  • One participant corrects the temperature conversion from Kelvin to Fahrenheit, providing a different result of 174°F based on their calculations.
  • There is acknowledgment of potential miscalculations and the importance of unit consistency in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate method to use for the calculations, with no consensus on the best approach. Some agree on the use of P1/T1 = P2/T2, while others question the assumptions made regarding volume and the need for additional data.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the volume may not be constant, which could affect the calculations. There is also mention of potential rounding issues that might lead to discrepancies in the final answer.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying gas laws, particularly in the context of thermodynamics and practical applications in cooking or experimental setups.

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Homework Statement


A pop-up turkey thermometer has 1.0 mL of air trapped beneath the red plastic indicator. When the thermometer was assembled, the temperature was 10 *C, and atmosphereic pressure was 750 mmHg. If the pressure required to break the seal and pop up the syringe is 932 mm Hg, at what temperature in *F will the turkey be done?


Homework Equations


PV=nrT
*C x 9/5 + 32 = *F
*C + 273 = *K
P_1V_1=P_2V_2
1 atm = 760 mmHg
P_1V_1/n_1T_1=P_2V_2/n_2T_2 (I'm not sure if I need this one or not)


The Attempt at a Solution



First, I started computing my starting variables.

P_1 = 750/760 = .987 atm
V_1= .001 L
T_1= 283 *K
n_1 = ?

P_2= 932/760 = 1.23 atm
V_2 = ?
T_2 = ?
n_2 = ?

To continue, I need to find n. So I used the Ideal Gas Law (no excessive pressures).

PV=nRT
PV/RT=n
(.987 atm)(.001 L)/(.0821 Lxatm/molxK)(283 *K) = 4.25 x 10^-5 mol air

I assign this value to both n_1 and n_2, because the mols of air shouldn't change.

When writing the combined gas law, I still need to find V_2 to find T_2. So I use Charle's Law.

P_1V_1/P_2 = V_2
(.987 atm)(.001 L)/(1.23 atm) = 8.02 x 10^-4

This is where I'm uncertain. I rearrange the combined gas law to look like this:

P_1V_1n_2/P_2V_2n_1T_1 = T_2

Plug in my numbers, I get 3.54 x 10^-3 *K. That's rediculous, considering the context of the problem. So I try to use the Ideal Gas Law, but only on the second state of gas

PV=nRT
manipulated to PV/nR=T

(1.23 atm)(.001 L)/(4.248 x 10^-5 mol)(.0821 L x atm/mol x K) = 353 *K. A much more reasonable answer. I convert to C, and get 80 *C. I think I've got it. Convert to *F, and I get 176 *F. But the computer says I'm wrong. Where did I mess up? Help please?
 
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It seems to be essentially a bomb problem with V and n constant. Try P1/T1 = P2/T2 using the original mmHg values, this is essentially your same calculation but with all the conversions it may be a matter of rounding that throws your answer off from what the computer has.
 
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eli64 said:
It seems to be essentially a bomb calorimetry problem with V and n constant. Try P1/T1 = P2/T2 using the original mmHg values, this is essentially your same calculation but with all the conversions it may be a matter of rounding that throws your answer off from what the computer has.

Thank you for the input, but I'm thinking the combined gas law isn't the right direction. The P1/T1=P2/T2 yields -459 *F. I tried to put the answer in anyway, and nope. I also tried the calculations that yielded a reasonable answer while not eliminating my sig figs until I reached the very end, and still nothing. I'm all for blaming the computer for my problems, but I have a feeling the problem is me. . . any other suggestions or hints?
 
Not sure how you got the -459*F. If P1=750mmHg, T1=283K, P2=932mmHg then T2=351K or 78.7*C which is 174*F. P does not have to be in atm but T must be in K

If the volume is not constant, meaning that the expansion must include the new volume, then it seems data is missing or someone else may have other suggestions
 
Thanks. Must've just been a miscalculation on my part.

I thought it had to be in atm. Didn't realize you could use mmHg.
 

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