Atmospheric air pressure on the human body

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of atmospheric air pressure on the human body, particularly focusing on how internal pressures within solid organs like the lungs and heart interact with external atmospheric pressure. Participants explore concepts related to pressure balance, diffusion of gases, and the physiological mechanisms of respiration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the body does not get crushed by atmospheric pressure due to an internal pressure that balances it, questioning how air might diffuse within solid organs.
  • One participant suggests that air does not need to be inside organs to balance atmospheric pressure, likening the body to a water balloon.
  • Another participant asserts that air can diffuse through solids and highlights the respiratory process in lungs and plants.
  • There is a discussion about whether the internal pressure of organs is equal to atmospheric pressure, with some arguing that it is due to the water content of the organs.
  • One participant explains that the pressure in the body is influenced by atmospheric pressure and that solids and liquids exert their own pressure.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of partial pressures of dissolved gases in tissues and discusses the implications of changes in ambient pressure, including decompression sickness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of pressure balance within the body and the role of air diffusion. While some agree on the general concept of internal pressure balancing atmospheric pressure, the specifics of how this occurs and the role of different materials (solids vs. liquids) remain contested.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions about the nature of pressure in solids and liquids, the role of diffusion, and the physiological processes involved in respiration. The discussion also touches on the complexities of gas exchange and pressure dynamics in biological tissues.

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Hello,
It is well known that the atmospheric air pressure is significantly strong but our body does not get crushed by it because and equal pressure pushes from the inside our body.
That said, does it mean that air can exist and be diffused inside solid organs like the lungs, our heart, etc. and exert its pressure as it would without permeating the organs? Is the pressure inside the solid body parts equal to atmospheric pressure? How does that happen? Does air diffuse through solids like that?

Thanks!
 
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fog37 said:
Hello,
It is well known that the atmospheric air pressure is significantly strong but our body does not get crushed by it because and equal pressure pushes from the inside our body.
That said, does it mean that air can exist and be diffused inside solid organs like the lungs, our heart, etc. and exert its pressure as it would without permeating the organs? Is the pressure inside the solid body parts equal to atmospheric pressure? How does that happen? Does air diffuse through solids like that?

Thanks!
No, air doesn't need to be inside your organs to balance atmospheric pressure. Think about a well-filled water balloon; It's just a bag of water.
 
fog37 said:
Does air diffuse through solids like that?
Yes. Our lungs, and also other animals use Oxygen from the air, and excrete CO2.
Handily, most plants do the reverse process.
 
Ok, so, not be crushed, the internal pressure of the organs inside our body must balance the atmospheric air pressure. I thought that would be possible because we inhale air at the same pressure as atmospheric pressure and that air did the balancing, not the solid stuff inside the organs...
 
There is no reason why the organs in your body, which are mainly water, would be subject to any pressure differrrnt to ocean water
 
Ok, so in the ocean the pressure of water at a particular depth is the air pressure + rho*g*h where h is the depth. Close to the water surface, the water pressure is indeed atmospheric pressure. Back to the inside of the body, as most organs are made of water, their internal pressure will be approximately atmospheric air pressure. Is that the reasoning?
 
Yes, but it's fascinating that animals evolved lungs, which work by producing small pressure differences, enabling what we call respiration..
 
fog37 said:
Ok, so, not be crushed, the internal pressure of the organs inside our body must balance the atmospheric air pressure. I thought that would be possible because we inhale air at the same pressure as atmospheric pressure and that air did the balancing, not the solid stuff inside the organs...
No, solids and liquids have pressure of their own.
Back to the inside of the body, as most organs are made of water, their internal pressure will be approximately atmospheric air pressure. Is that the reasoning?
These things don't follow. It doesn't matter if the interior of your body is water or solid calcium salt (your bones). It has the pressure it has because the atmosphere is applying pressure to it, so it applies pressure back.

The reason we can generally ignore this pressure is that it is uniform, so it doesn't cause any internal stress.
 
russ_watters said:
No, air doesn't need to be inside your organs to balance atmospheric pressure.
To be precise, the partial pressures of the dissolved atmospheric gases in our tissues is the same as the partial pressures in the atmosphere. If the ambient pressure changes then there will be (slow) diffusion to re-establish equilibrium. Decompression sickness is caused by changing the ambient pressure too quickly for the diffusion to be fast enough to prevent the formation of bubbles.
All our tissues (except, perhaps dental enamel) are composites and have some water in them. We are more like a wet sponge than a lump of steel, in that regard. But I think you could say that a solid like a block of metal would absorb some atmospheric gases eventually. The timescale would be greater than geological, though and equilibrium is never reached. The same is almost true for the special oils made for high vacuum technology.
 

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