Atmospheric pressure and density.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of the Earth's atmosphere and determining the scale height based on given atmospheric pressure and density values. The subject area includes concepts from thermodynamics and atmospheric physics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to use the ideal gas law to calculate the mass of the atmosphere and questions the relevance of height in determining scale height. Other participants suggest considering different temperatures and the composition of the atmosphere, while also referencing external sources for mass estimates.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various methods and assumptions regarding the calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definition of scale height and the importance of atmospheric composition, but there is no explicit consensus on the accuracy of the original poster's calculations.

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There are references to external sources for atmospheric mass estimates, and participants express uncertainty about the order of magnitude of their calculations. The original poster is preparing for an exam, which adds a layer of urgency to the discussion.

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My question states:

Given that the ground-level pressure of the Earth’s atmosphere is [tex]1.033 *10^5 N m^−^2,[/tex] calculate the mass of the atmosphere. If the ground-level atmospheric density is [tex]1.293 kg m^−^3[/tex], calculate the scale height.

For the first bit, I used P=nKT, assuming a temperature of 300K, and I then calculated the number of molecules per unit area, and multiplied this number by the surface area of the Earth. I then assumed that the atmosphere was made entirely of Nitrogen and so multiplied the number of molecules by the mass of a molecule. I ended up with the answer [tex]5.99*10^1^4[/tex] kg. Does this sound about right?

For the second part I am totally stumped. Surely if you put the height in as 0, that will tell you nothing about the scale height.
 
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Apparently, the total mass of the atmosphere is around 5.3x1018 kilograms according to http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/LouiseLiu.shtml" . You may want to factor in oxygen as a fifth is a significant proportion. Also, try taking the Earth's median temperature (which is about 250k)

The scale height is defined as being The height in the atmosphere where pressure is e-1 times its value at the surface, perhaps http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/PressureScaleHeight.html" can be of some help. :smile:
 
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They still don't give me the required order of magnitude. This is going to be a very hard exam tomorrow.
 
I've just noticed something;

Brewer said:
For the first bit, I used P=nKT

I hope you mean pV = nkT
 
Although, accoring to Wiki (I hesitate to use this a source);

Wikipedia said:
According to the National Center for Atmospheric Research, "The total mean mass of the atmosphere is 5.1480 x 10^18 kg with an annual range due to water vapor of 1.2 or 1.5 x 10^15 kg depending on whether surface pressure or water vapor data are used; somewhat smaller than the previous estimate. The mean mass of water vapor is estimated as 1.27 x 10^16 kg and the dry air mass as 5.1352 ±0.0003 x 10^18 kg."
 

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