Atmospheric pressure per square cm

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of atmospheric pressure and its representation in terms of area, specifically addressing a participant's confusion regarding the relationship between pressure and area measurements. The conversation touches on units of pressure, area calculations, and the terminology used in physics and mathematics.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between pressure and area, suggesting that if 1 kg of pressure is exerted on 1 cm², then 2 cm² should exert 4 kg, leading to an exponential growth misunderstanding.
  • Another participant points out that the term "two centimeters square" is often misused, clarifying that it refers to an area of 4 cm², not 2 cm².
  • Some participants argue that using kg/cm² as a unit of pressure is imprecise and suggest using Pascals (N/m²) instead.
  • A participant notes the ambiguity in language regarding area measurements, highlighting the confusion caused by different interpretations of "square centimeters."
  • One participant corrects the misunderstanding about growth rates, stating that the growth described is quadratic rather than exponential, and expresses frustration over the misuse of the term "exponential" in common language.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the confusion surrounding area measurements and the terminology used, but there is no consensus on the appropriateness of using kg/cm² as a unit of pressure. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these misunderstandings on the original question about atmospheric pressure.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding area calculations and the implications of language in scientific communication. There are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of pressure and area that affect the clarity of the conversation.

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Hi, I have a problem to understand one small thing. They say that air pressure per square cm at sea level is approximately 1 kg.
So at 2 sq cm it will be 2 kg, at 3 sq cm it will be 3 kg etc.
But... Here where I have a problem. The thing is that inside 2 square cm you can put 4 one square cm. Inside 3 square cm you can put nine square cm.
Just look at it this way:
2sq= 4= 1sq+1sq+1sq+1sq
3sq= 9 =
1sq+1sq+1sq+1sq+1sq+1sq+1sq+1sq+1sq
You see? So according to this logic the air pressure supposed to grow exponentially when you increase the surface, but according to textbooks it's not. Why?
It's supposed to be 1 kg at 1 sq cm, 4 kg at 2 sq cm, 9 kg at 3 cm etc.
See my trouble?
 
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Denoting pressures in units of kg/cm^2 is done but it is sloppy; use Pascals (N/m^2) instead.

Your confusion over area is not uncommon, people say "two centimeters square" meaning, a square with sides of length 2 cm. This has an area of four square centimeters (4 cm^2). An area of 2 cm^2 would be a square with sides of length 1.414 cm (because 1.414 * 1.414 = 2).
 
Pressures in units of kg/cm^2 is sloppy because it assumes you are located somewhere (like the surface of the earth) where gravitational acceleration is 9.8 m/sec^2
 
gmax137 said:
Denoting pressures in units of kg/cm^2 is done but it is sloppy; use Pascals (N/m^2) instead.

Your confusion over area is not uncommon, people say "two centimeters square" meaning, a square with sides of length 2 cm. This has an area of four square centimeters (4 cm^2). An area of 2 cm^2 would be a square with sides of length 1.414 cm (because 1.414 * 1.414 = 2).
Ohh so you say my mistake is how I calculate square area? So an area of 2cm^2 isn't equale to a square with sides of length 2 cm?
 
Theg said:
an area of 2cm^2 isn't equale to a square with sides of length 2 cm?

Correct. As you said in your first post, a square with sides of length 2 cm has an area of 4 cm^2.

There is a difference in the written words:
"an area of (two cm), squared"
"an area of two (cm squared)"

Confusing? Yes. This is a problem with English, I don't know if other languages are also ambiguous in this way.
 
In the past we used to say "two square cms" and the convention still applies when we buy carpet or tiles in square metres. Using "two cm2" took its place in Science and I am not sure it helped at all.
 
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By the way, one complaint (sorry to nitpick, but this is a pet peeve of mine). If something grows as the square (i.e. 1 kg for a 1 cm square, 4 kg for a 2 cm square, 9kg for a 3 cm square...), this is growing quadratically, not exponentially. It has become common practice for people to describe anything that grows faster than linear as "exponential". Exponential growth is faster than any power (faster than x^2, faster than x^3, faster than x^4...).

It turns out I'm not the only one that is bothered by this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/opinion/exponential-language-math.html
 
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Theg said:
Ohh so you say my mistake is how I calculate square area? So an area of 2cm^2 isn't equale to a square with sides of length 2 cm?
Correct. 2cm^2 would be the area of a rectangle 2cm * 1cm.
 

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