Automatically Charging and Discharging a Capacitor

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The discussion revolves around the design of a solar-powered device for a competition, specifically focusing on the use of a capacitor to store and manage power for a motor. Participants explore the feasibility of automatically charging and discharging the capacitor without manual intervention, as well as considerations regarding current ratings and voltage amplification.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the possibility of creating a circuit that can automatically charge and discharge a capacitor for a solar-powered crane project.
  • Another participant clarifies the distinction between mA and mAh ratings, suggesting that the solar cell's output is more accurately described in terms of maximum current (mA) rather than capacity (mAh).
  • Some participants discuss the efficiency of motors that can operate on low current, with suggestions for using multiple solar cells to achieve the necessary voltage for the motor.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the concept of voltage amplification and its relevance to increasing power to the motor, prompting a response that clarifies the function of voltage amplifiers versus stepping up voltage.
  • There is a suggestion that while stepping up voltage can help the motor operate better, it may also increase the current draw from the solar cell.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for a circuit to manage power effectively, but there are differing views on the implications of voltage amplification and the best approach to increase power to the motor. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal design for the automatic charging and discharging circuit.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the understanding of current ratings and the implications of voltage amplification, as well as the specific requirements for the motor and solar cell configuration. The discussion does not resolve these technical nuances.

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I'm going to enter a "Solar-powered crane" competition where we need to design a small device that runs off a 1.5V-400 mAh solar cell.

Given that 400mah isn't much in the way of current, I would like to use a capacitor to build up a little more power for the motor to run off of.

My question: is there anyway that I could buy or build a circuit that will automatically repeatedly charge and discharge the capacitor without anyone having to manually throw a switch?
 
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That rating would be in mA, not mAH, probably.
The mAH rating would be indefinite because a solar cell produces current for as long as it is left in the sun.

400 mA would be the maximum current the cell could produce in bright direct sunlight.

400 mA is not too bad. You can get motors that run on 25 mA at 1.5 volts.

Some hobby and educational stores carry demonstration solar cells with an included motor which will run off the solar cell. These run off a single solar cell which only gives 0.6 volts while your solar device must have about 3 cells in it.
So, they are pretty efficient motors.
They have plenty of power, but you would need to gear them down with pulleys to get realistic rotation speeds.

If you wanted a higher voltage than 1.5 volts, there are solar powered path lights that generate about 3 volts to run a LED from a 1.2 volt NiCd battery. You could hack one of these to get the circuitry that does this.
Or, there is one in this article:
http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30709/article.html
but it would be better to just select a suitable 1.5 volt motor.
 
Ah, I thought a "mah" rating didn't make a lot of sense, but that's how they wrote it in the rules.

At this point it's obvious that I don't have a lot of experience with electronics...

I do know there is such a thing as "voltage amplification" but can you actually get more power into a motor if you have a circuit that does that, or am I misunderstanding the concept?
 
A voltage amplifier won't help. That is for something else. I'll explain if you like.

You can step up the voltage with circuits like the ones in my previous post. These produce more voltage for the motor but draw more current from the solar cell than just the motor on its own.

A greater voltage for the motor might mean it turns when it otherwise wouldn't, or it may mean more torque and greater revs.

Don't worry about lack of experience. Nobody here was born knowing this stuff.
 
Ah, okay.

I don't have any problems getting the motor to turn our gearbox with a load on it or anything like that. I'm really just looking for ways to get more power into it.
 

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