Automotive, Holes Subframe etc., Purpose (not for Fastener Access)?

  • Thread starter Thread starter YoshiMoshi
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Automotive Holes
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on the purpose of holes in automotive subframes, lower control arms, and other components. These holes serve multiple functions, including drainage for debris, accurate jig positioning during manufacturing, and allowing flexibility in the metal structure to prevent fractures. Sealing these holes could interfere with the necessary flexibility and is economically unfeasible, as the manufacturing process involves treatments that protect against rust while maintaining a lightweight design for improved fuel efficiency.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of automotive component design and manufacturing processes
  • Knowledge of rust prevention techniques in automotive engineering
  • Familiarity with jig positioning in mass production
  • Basic principles of material flexibility and structural integrity
NEXT STEPS
  • Research automotive manufacturing processes, focusing on the role of holes in component design
  • Explore rust prevention methods used in automotive applications, including coatings and treatments
  • Learn about the impact of weight reduction on fuel efficiency in automotive engineering
  • Investigate the evolution of automotive chassis design from stamped and welded to unibody structures
USEFUL FOR

Automotive engineers, manufacturing specialists, and anyone involved in vehicle design and maintenance will benefit from this discussion, particularly those interested in component durability and efficiency.

YoshiMoshi
Messages
233
Reaction score
10
Hi,

In automotive industry, I've seen subframes, lower control arms, upper control arms, cross members etc that have holes in them.
1667526461162.png

Like above. That do not provide access to a stud, nut, that was put in from the other side. Now I understand some of these holes are there for that exact purpose (as can be seen in the picture). I get that. But this isn't the case for a good amount of them. This got me thinking, what is their purpose and function if not to provide access to a fastener? Seems like a good way to introduce water, and crud from the street to the internals of these metal structures. Seems like a good idea to just cover them up, install a grease fitting, a relief valve, and inject grease into the hollow structure to prevent rusting from the inside out. But I highly doubt these holes have no purpose? I've watched videos of people on YouTube replacing this lower control arm (the thing highlighted in the picture) without using the holes for access to fasteners.

I know I can just remove the old component and install the new one and go about my life, but I really don't understand the point of these holes and would like to learn their purpose.
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
YoshiMoshi said:
I really don't understand the point of these holes and would like to learn their purpose.
Holes provide drainage and an exit route for particles that enter through bolt access holes, or through gaps or cracks in welds. Hermetically sealed components are heavy and expensive.

Holes provide accurate jig positioning points. Jigs are needed during the mass production of precision steering components.

Holes increase flexibility by allowing some distortion of the flat metal surface. In plastic designed components, something must give. It is better to flex and deform the sheet material near a smooth hole, than to fracture a weld.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: russ_watters, jack action, hutchphd and 3 others
Hey thanks! I really appreciate it.

It sounds like welding sheet metal over these holes so I could create a sealed unit would not be a good idea then because it would interfere with the ability of the lower control arm to flex? Or even just simply putting a plastic cover or a rubber boot over the hole would also create issues?

I was just thinking of a non sealed metal structure that will likely rust out, might as well as seal it and fill it up with grease to prevent rusting.

Some of the bolt holes on my subframe have plastic covers over them that you have to pry out, probably to keep the threaded studs from rusting to badly. While the ones that aren't meant for this are just left open.
 
YoshiMoshi said:
I was just thinking of a non sealed metal structure that will likely rust out, might as well as seal it and fill it up with grease to prevent rusting.
The main problem is that it cannot be economically sealed.

When the component was manufactured, it was dipped in a series of baths that prevent rusting and coat the surfaces with paint, inside and out. The holes allow the liquid treatment to flow in and drain out. Because the inside is not exposed to environmental scratches, it is more durable than the outside of the component.
 
  • Informative
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Tom.G and Lnewqban
Holes in components mean a lighter part weight.

Automobiles before the 1960 had a stamped and welded iron chassis. The body was set on top of this chassis with rubber pads providing isolation. Bolts were used to secure the chassis. Todays pick up trucks still use this type chassis.
Bare chassis weighs 250 pounds and the convertible model had a heavy X frame section to prevent and or reduce body flexing since you did not have a sedan body connecting laterally to the chassis.
In the early 1960s the manufacturers went to UNI body design that used heavy sheet metal to substitute for the separate chassis. One main reason was weight. These cars were a lot lighter as the mass was reduced. Light weight means more fuel economy as the car required a smaller engine , with less horsepower to move the car. Less power means less fuel required. Holes in components mean a lighter part weight. its all about miles per gallon. Plus it was cheaper and faster to make.
 
Last edited:
  • Informative
Likes   Reactions: berkeman

Similar threads

Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
6K
Replies
40
Views
4K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
5K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K