Average temperature of a hotplate

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The problem involves calculating the average temperature of an 8-inch hot plate, defined by the region R = {(x,y) | x² + y² ≤ 16}. The temperature function is given by T(x,y) = 400 cos(0.1 sqrt(x² + y²)), measured in degrees Fahrenheit. Participants are exploring methods to find the average temperature without providing a complete solution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants discuss using the centers of mass equations and question the applicability of this approach for averaging temperature. Others suggest setting up a double integral, with some confusion about the correct formulation of the temperature function and the region of integration.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering guidance on integrating the temperature function over the plate and dividing by the area. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the setup of the integral and the correct form of the temperature equation.

Contextual Notes

There are noted formatting issues with the original problem statement, leading to clarifications about the temperature function and the region of integration. Some participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the correct use of polar coordinates.

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An 8-inch hot plate is described by the region R = {(x,y) | x2 + y2 16}. The temperature at the point (x,y) is given by T(x,y) = 400 cos(0.1 ), measured in degrees Fahrenheit. What is the average temperature of the hot plate?

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would i use the centers of mass equations and then plug in the x, y values that i get into the Temperature equation? (Can you even centers of mass for a temp average?)
X= My / m and Y = Mx / m

or should i set up a double integral or something? I am confused!
 
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no. it has to do with the stationary solution of the heat transfer equation:


[tex] \frac{\partial u}{\partial t} = a^{2} \nabla^{2} u,[/tex]

which, under the assumption of stationarity [tex]{\partial u}/{\partial t} = 0[/tex], reduces to the Laplace equation:


[tex] \nabla^{2} u = 0,[/tex]

where u(x, y) is the stationary temperature distribution.

There are powerful theorems for elliptic partial differential equations that enable you to find the solution.
 
Dickfore said:
no. it has to do with the stationary solution of the heat transfer equation:


[tex] \frac{\partial u}{\partial t} = a^{2} \nabla^{2} u,[/tex]

which, under the assumption of stationarity [tex]{\partial u}/{\partial t} = 0[/tex], reduces to the Laplace equation:


[tex] \nabla^{2} u = 0,[/tex]

where u(x, y) is the stationary temperature distribution.

There are powerful theorems for elliptic partial differential equations that enable you to find the solution.

Oh, come on. It's not a PDE problem. Just integrate T(x,y) over the plate and divide by the area of the plate. As read, the average temperature is 400*cos(0.1), it's a constant. There's clearly some formatting problems with the original question. The region of the plate should be x^2+y^2<=16.
 
I'm sorry. the original equation for T(x,y) = 400cos (0.1 sqrt(x^2 +y^2)) and yes the region is x^2 + y^2 <= 16. Very sorry about that..

So, I was trying to use a double integral with polar coordinates..

int (from 0 to 2pi) 2nd integral (from 0 to 4) [400cos( 0.1sqrt(r^r) )] *r dr d(theta)

Is this the right way of going about it?
 
edough said:
I'm sorry. the original equation for T(x,y) = 400cos (0.1 sqrt(x^2 +y^2)) and yes the region is x^2 + y^2 <= 16. Very sorry about that..

So, I was trying to use a double integral with polar coordinates..

int (from 0 to 2pi) 2nd integral (from 0 to 4) [400cos( 0.1sqrt(r^r) )] *r dr d(theta)

Is this the right way of going about it?


Yes, and you should also divide by the total area of the region.
 
Then How would i go about integrating 400cos(0.1*sqrt(r)) * r dr ??
 
edough said:
Then How would i go about integrating 400cos(0.1*sqrt(r)) * r dr ??

Make the substitution [tex]t = 0.1 \sqrt{r}[/tex]
 
edough said:
Then How would i go about integrating 400cos(0.1*sqrt(r)) * r dr ??

400cos (0.1 sqrt(x^2 +y^2)) is 400*cos(0.1*r). There's no sqrt(r) here. Just integrate by parts.
 

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