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Ban gas guzzlers

  1. Feb 4, 2008 #1

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    http://www.newsdaily.com/Science/UPI-1-20080204-09283900-bc-britain-emissions.xml

    Sir Mark Moody-Stuart, who was chairman of Royal Dutch Shell from 1998 to 2001, says taxing gas guzzlers has failed to get people to abandon large vehicles, The Daily Telegraph reported Monday.

    "When we eliminated coal fires in London we didn't say to people in Chelsea you can pay a bit more and toast your crumpets in front of an open fire," Sir Mark said.

    His comments came on the day new low emission standards went into effect in London.

    A network of cameras that record license plates will be used to enforce the new targets and fines of $400 a day will be issued to operators of lorries, buses and coaches that fail to meet them.

    London Mayor Ken Livingstone says the goal is to reduce emissions by 16 percent in areas of the capital where air quality does not meet current European Union standards.
     
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  3. Feb 4, 2008 #2

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    What will Queeney babe and the family be driven around in, and will two Jags become two Minis.
     
  4. Feb 4, 2008 #3

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    Cameras to check emissions? You mean they are blowing smoke?
     
  5. Feb 4, 2008 #4

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    The cameras can recognise license plates which are all on the DVLA database telling you who owns the car, where they live and what make and model the car (or other vehicle) is. All car models have stats on how much they emit etc.
     
  6. Feb 4, 2008 #5

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    But how do they know if the individual vehicle is emitting too much?
     
  7. Feb 4, 2008 #6

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    They don't and thats why its terribly unfair. They're forcing people to switch the type of car they drive.
     
  8. Feb 4, 2008 #7
    :uhh: A lot of currency exchange required, it seems for the Londoners, changing ££'s to those 400$

    But regardless of effects of gas emission, the oil supply is limited and when it's gone, it's gone. No need to use up more than your fair share and there are big cars a lot less thirsty than others, like the new generation TDi diesels of the hybrids.
     
  9. Feb 4, 2008 #8

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    That's crazy. For driving a car that is meeting the emission standards when it was made they are going to fine people $400 a day? I can see if the car is in disrepair and is emitting more than it should...
     
  10. Feb 4, 2008 #9

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    I guess it is a bit stupid to own a 4*4 or a stretch limo to drive around London but a lot of cars are going to struggle to get 35mpg.
     
  11. Feb 4, 2008 #10

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    Are they going to buy the people driving the "outlawed" cars new ones? Afterall, if nobody can drive it, they won't be able to sell it to anyone to afford a new one on their own. I can see them not allowing any new sales or production, and all need to be maintained to keep within certain limits, but how can people afford to suddenly replace a car that was legal when they bought it?
     
  12. Feb 4, 2008 #11

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    The article isn't entirely clear, but they're not banning the gas guzzling, high emission vehicles altogether. They're banning them from being driven in parts of London.

    They probably wouldn't need cameras to know who owned gas guzzling, high emmission vehicles if owners have to register their vehicles. They could just check the registration records and come out and impound the offending vehicles.
     
  13. Feb 4, 2008 #12

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    Its only in a very limited area of London. If you want to drive in that zone in any vehicle that has emissions over a certain level then you have to pay. Hence the cameras. Thats how I saw it on the news earlier anyway.

    Its two stories together really since that Shell businessman later came out and just said ban them altogether.
     
  14. Feb 4, 2008 #13

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    Good bloody idea, that's what I say.

    Besides, it's only for commercial vehicles anyway. Cars and motorbikes are exempt.
     
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  15. Feb 4, 2008 #14

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    Oh, well that's different.
     
  16. Feb 4, 2008 #15

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    That technology is coming to the US. There's a European company marketing is pattern recognition system which identifies license plates.
     
  17. Feb 4, 2008 #16

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    It seems to have been quite successful in reducing car crimes and other related crimes. The technology is small enough to be put into traffic patrol cars and can easily recognise vehicles that don't have any tax or have warrants on them where previously they would have gotten away with it.
     
  18. Feb 4, 2008 #17

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    This is done around the country now to catch speeders, their license plate is photographed and the person is mailed a ticket.
     
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    It's also used every day on toll bridges around here. If you've forgotten to bring your electronic toll tag (which is more reliable) they'll just read your license plate instead.

    - Warren
     
  20. Feb 4, 2008 #19

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    The government will soon know every ones movements every minut of the day,
    so long as they do not loose the information in the post.
     
  21. Feb 4, 2008 #20

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    Far from being a symbol of independence, the automobile is finally becoming highly controlled and highly regulated. I see this as a good thing, personally. If you don't want to pay registration fees and have your speed monitored and be subject to parking fines, just ride a bike or walk instead.

    - Warren
     
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