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Oh..wait...what's that? No one cares? Okay..I'll shut up.
turbo-1 said:He told me "Say that you heard about this from a number of people." I refused to do so, and he said "It's not really lying because one is a number."
russ_watters said:Ron Paul did drop out - and he got all the press time he deserved a few months ago (before he started coming in fifth in primaries).
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/ron-paul-to-dro.html
turbo-1 said:I once had an employer who told me to lie to a potential client because my knowledge of the death of her husband might tip her to the identity of the person who had told me of her husband's death. He told me "Say that you heard about this from a number of people." I refused to do so, and he said "It's not really lying because one is a number." What a sleaze! Most of my conflicts with that creep were based on my refusals to lie, dissemble, and tell half-truths when he thought it was expedient.
russ_watters said:How stupid are the Florida and Michigan legislators?
Another wrinkle in Florida - who showed up? Clinton apparently figured that retirees showed up (and there are a lot of retired women in Florida) because she has said that she will not agree to Florida holding a caucus, which is the least-expensive option for a re-do. She knows that if Florida holds caucuses, Obama gets a big advantage on her. She loftily proclaims that Florida's voters deserve to be heard, while digging her heels in and insisting that the delegates that she "won" be seated. Sleazy. She will gladly tear apart the party to pursue her blind ambition, including offering Obama a VP slot in HER administration - a sign of just how out-of-touch she is. She is running behind in delegates and she offers him the VP slot?? What a creep!lisab said:Many people didn't show up to the Florida primary because they were told it didn't count. Those delegates CAN'T be seated - no way!
Exactly! Whatever respect I once held for her (very little after she voted to let Bush take us to war) is entirely gone. She feels entitled to the Presidency, and acts as if we owe it to her. She has done nothing to deserve such blind allegiance, and she must be one of the most egotistical people in the country to go out every day spreading her "message" in this manner. We used to do a lot of spreading on the farm when I was a kid, BTW. She has the highest negatives amongst voters in this country, and if her campaign manages to throw enough dirt on Obama to persuade the superdelegates to back her, Independents, moderate Republicans, and conservative Democrats will break for McCain. He wants to slog it out in Iraq indefinitely until we "win" (he hasn't defined that any more than the idiot-in-chief has) and he wants to make Bush's tax cuts for millionaires permanent. This country is sliding into recession thanks to Bush's war, the wink-wink support of the oil companies' greed (like continuing to increase the size of the strategic oil reserve when oil prices spiked) and laissez-faire fiscal policies. It is no coincidence that the Savings and Loan fiasco and the Sub-Prime mortgage disaster happened during Republican administrations.G01 said:I honestly can't see Howard Dean letting those primaries go as is. That is just too ridiculous. With Obama not even on the ticket in MI and Hilary not campaigning in Fl (assuming your definition of "not" is "definitely"), it is a completely unfair situation for Obama.
If they redo them, fine. I'll agree to that. But if they seat the delegates as is all it shows is that Hilary is willing to go to all ends to accomplish her goals, whether the American people agree with her or not. That is not a quality we want in a president. I hope the last 8 years have convinced America of this.
turbo-1 said:She will gladly tear apart the party to pursue her blind ambition, including offering Obama a VP slot in HER administration - a sign of just how out-of-touch she is.
The thing is, the DNC lost too! Florida and Michigan screwed up the whole process. It is entirely possible that even with the superdelegates, there won't be enough total delegates available for either to get the majority they need to win the nomination. They may need to rewrite the rules at the convention to make it work.lisab said:I know...that's where the blame lies, ultimately.
Florida and Michigan played chicken with the DNC and lost.
My dad pointed out to me tonight that that may have been an attempt to woo black women who otherwise might have voted for Obama. Could be, but yeah, it does come off as slimy. That's why she and Bill make such a great couple.turbo-1 said:She will gladly tear apart the party to pursue her blind ambition, including offering Obama a VP slot in HER administration - a sign of just how out-of-touch she is. She is running behind in delegates and she offers him the VP slot?? What a creep!
Art said:It would be interesting to see how it would pan out if Clinton got the nomination through superdelegates and Obama decided to run anyway as an independent. He would lose some democratic votes but splitting from the democratic party may give him broad appeal to republican voters.
This statement is referring to the 2008 presidential election in which Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate, won the state of Wyoming. However, the phrase "no one cares" is often used sarcastically to imply that the victory is insignificant or unimportant.
Wyoming is a sparsely populated state and has historically been a Republican stronghold. Therefore, Obama's victory in the state was not seen as a significant event in the overall outcome of the election. Additionally, Wyoming only has 3 electoral votes, making it less impactful in the electoral college.
In the 2008 election, Barack Obama won a total of 365 electoral votes, compared to his opponent John McCain's 173. Wyoming's 3 electoral votes were a small portion of his overall victory, but still contributed to his overall win.
Wyoming has a history of voting for Republican candidates in presidential elections. In the past 14 presidential elections, Wyoming has only voted for a Democratic candidate twice (in 1964 and 1968). The state also tends to have conservative values and a majority of registered voters identify as Republicans.
While Wyoming's 3 electoral votes may seem insignificant in the overall election, every vote counts in determining the winner. Additionally, Obama's victory in Wyoming may have helped to solidify his national lead and demonstrate his ability to appeal to voters in traditionally Republican states.