Base Motion and Vertical Beam - Basic Reaction Forces?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the deflection of a vertical beam attached to a base that is accelerating at a constant rate. Participants explore the forces acting on the beam, particularly focusing on the nature of the reaction forces and inertial forces due to the acceleration of the base.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the force acting on the vertical beam, questioning whether it can simply be considered as the weight of the beam.
  • Another participant clarifies that the force is an inertial force acting at the center of mass of the beam, which is influenced by the base's acceleration.
  • There is a suggestion that the force experienced by the top of the beam is the product of the base's acceleration and the beam's weight.
  • One participant notes that inertial forces can be viewed as uniform and can be combined with gravitational forces, but emphasizes that the force acting on the base is what causes deformation.
  • Another participant points out that inertial forces are not actual forces but arise from frame transformations, suggesting that the most convenient description should be chosen for analysis.
  • There is a discussion about whether the inertial force should be considered as acting at the center of mass or distributed over the entire beam, which could affect the analysis of deformation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of inertial forces and their implications for beam deflection. There is no consensus on the best approach to model these forces, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how to apply these concepts to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of the point of application of forces and how it affects the numerical factors in the deflection formula. There are also references to modeling the beam as an inverted pendulum, which introduces additional complexity to the analysis.

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Trying to understand forces acting on vertical beam being accelerated at the base.
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So I am trying to understand how to estimate the amount of deflection [D] the vertical beam shown above would experience if the base it is attached to is accelerating at a constant acceleration [a] of 9.81 m/s.

I assume the Force [F] would be equal to weight of the vertical beam (mass x gravity) as that would be the reaction force? or is this too much of an oversimplification?

I have the equations correct to calculate beam deflection I just need to understand the force it is seeing and can't wrap my head around it not simply being a reaction force to parts weight.

D = (F*Height^3) / (3*E*I)

E = Youngs Modulus
I = Second Moment of Area

Any help pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated!
 
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The force ##\mathbf{F}## is an inertial force and satisfies ##\mathbf{F} = -m\mathbf{a} = m|\mathbf{a}| \hat{\mathbf{x}}##; it acts at the centre of mass of the vertical beam. The point of application is important, because it determines the numerical pre-factor in the beam deflection formula. (##m## is the mass of the vertical beam).
 
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Yes ok perfect, I just wanted to make sure I was thinking about this correctly!
So the Force being seen by the top of the vertical beam is equal to the acceleration of the base multiplied by the weight of the beam.
 
Corrected it for you :)
sabz333 said:
So the Force being seen by the top centre of the vertical beam is equal to the acceleration of the base multiplied by the weight mass of the beam.
 
In the longer term, you are modeling an inverted pendulum that will have stored energy and a resonant frequency.
 
ergospherical said:
The force ##\mathbf{F}## is an inertial force and satisfies ##\mathbf{F} = -m\mathbf{a} = m|\mathbf{a}| \hat{\mathbf{x}}##; it acts at the centre of mass of the vertical beam.
The inertial force acts unifomly on the entire beam. Just like uniform gravitation, so those two can be combined into a single uniform field. Uniform fields by themselves don't cause deformation, but the force acting on the base does.
 
Technically inertial forces don’t act anywhere, since they’re not actually forces but rather terms arising from the frame transformation. So just choose the most convenient description.
 
ergospherical said:
Technically inertial forces don’t act anywhere, since they’re not actually forces but rather terms arising from the frame transformation. So just choose the most convenient description.
The most convenient description, that still gives you the correct answer to the question. For the question of deformation it makes a difference whether you assume the force acts at the CoM or is distributed over the entire beam.
 
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As your inertial load is not punctual at mid-span, your case is similar to the one shown in this picture:
 

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A.T. said:
The most convenient description, that still gives you the correct answer to the question. For the question of deformation it makes a difference whether you assume the force acts at the CoM or is distibuted over the entire beam.
That's fair, you're right!
 
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