Basic Dimensional Analysis Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around converting square inches to square centimeters, specifically converting 1.2 in² to cm². Participants explore the correct method for dimensional analysis in this context, addressing unit conversion and the importance of maintaining units throughout the calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that simply multiplying 1.2 by 2.54 is sufficient for the conversion, but others argue this approach is incorrect due to the need to account for the squared units.
  • One participant explains that squaring the conversion factor (1 in = 2.54 cm) leads to the conclusion that 1 in² = 6.4516 cm², which is crucial for accurate conversion.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of using both numbers and units in conversion coefficients to avoid errors in dimensional analysis.
  • There is a mention of a specific numerical result (7.74 cm²) obtained by one participant, but it is unclear if this is universally accepted or if it reflects a consensus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the initial approach to the conversion, with multiple competing views on the correct method for dimensional analysis. There is no consensus on the best way to perform the conversion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note errors in the initial statements, such as incomplete definitions of units, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. The reliance on proper unit handling is highlighted as a critical aspect of the conversion process.

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1. Convert 1.2 in^2 to cm^2



2. 1 CM = 10^-2 and 1 inch = 2.54 centimeteres



The Attempt at a Solution



Can't we just do 1.2*2.54=3.048 and write that as our answer?
 
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Can't we just do 1.2*2.54=3.048 and write that as our answer?

You could, but it would be wrong. :smile:

If 1 in = 2.54 cm, then, squaring both sides, 12 in2 = 2.542 cm2.

or simplified: 1 in2 = 6.4516 cm2. From this, we get the following facts:

1 = (1 in2) / (6.4516 cm2)

1 = (6.4516 cm2) / (1 in2)

Remember, you can multiply anything by 1 and it will not alter the value you are trying to convert. If you are starting with a value that has units of in2 (as you are) then multiply that value by the ratio of the second equation (that ratio is equal to 1). The in2 will cancel out leaving you with cm2 in the numerator (which is what you want).

1.2 [STRIKE]in2[/STRIKE] * (6.4516 cm2) / (1 [STRIKE]in2[/STRIKE])
 
hi lolzwhut?! :smile:
lolzwhut? said:
1. Convert 1.2 in^2 to cm^2

2. 1 CM = 10^-2 and 1 inch = 2.54 centimeteres

Can't we just do 1.2*2.54=3.048 and write that as our answer?

it's square inches! :wink:
 
lolzwhut? said:
Can't we just do 1.2*2.54=3.048 and write that as our answer?

To add to what lewando wrote - if you were not ignoring units, you would see that it is wrong.

Trying shortcuts when you don't understand what you are doing rarely works. Dimensional analysis strength relies on the fact that it not only gives correct results, but also gives signals if you get lost. However, it works only when you use both numbers and units in conversion coefficients.
 
lolzwhut? said:
1. Convert 1.2 in^2 to cm^2



2. 1 CM = 10^-2

Your first error is here. 1 cm= 10^-2 what?

and 1 inch = 2.54 centimeteres

The Attempt at a Solution



Can't we just do 1.2*2.54=3.048 and write that as our answer?
And, as others have pointed out, you simply dropped the units here and the units are the whole point of the problem.
 
lewando said:
You could, but it would be wrong. :smile:

If 1 in = 2.54 cm, then, squaring both sides, 12 in2 = 2.542 cm2.

or simplified: 1 in2 = 6.4516 cm2. From this, we get the following facts:

1 = (1 in2) / (6.4516 cm2)

1 = (6.4516 cm2) / (1 in2)

Remember, you can multiply anything by 1 and it will not alter the value you are trying to convert. If you are starting with a value that has units of in2 (as you are) then multiply that value by the ratio of the second equation (that ratio is equal to 1). The in2 will cancel out leaving you with cm2 in the numerator (which is what you want).

1.2 [STRIKE]in2[/STRIKE] * (6.4516 cm2) / (1 [STRIKE]in2[/STRIKE])

Wow, so 7.74 cm^2 is what I'm getting.

Thanks for the help guys. I definitely won't forget my units this time xD But yeah, I got 7.74 cm^2.
 

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