Basic doubt about a concept in Optics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the differences in reflection between a plane mirror and a white sheet of paper, particularly focusing on why a white sheet does not produce a clear reflection of an image. Participants explore concepts of diffuse and specular reflection, surface irregularities, and the properties of materials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a white sheet of paper, which reflects all wavelengths of light, does not produce a reflection like a plane mirror.
  • Another participant suggests that the irregularities on the surface of the paper cause the reflected rays to disperse, preventing a sharp image.
  • A follow-up question is raised regarding the effect of smooth, laminated papers on reflection quality.
  • One participant introduces the concept of diffuse reflection and notes that both surface smoothness and material properties affect reflection.
  • There is a discussion about whether the intensity of reflected light from a white object is proportional to the incident light, with some participants indicating that it need not be the case.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definition of "white" in terms of equal reflection across the spectrum, with acknowledgment that some light may be absorbed by the surface.
  • Concerns are raised about the smoothness of laminated papers and whether they can achieve specular reflection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of surface smoothness and material properties on reflection. There is no consensus on whether laminated papers can produce a clear reflection similar to that of a mirror.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as diffuse and specular reflection without resolving the complexities involved in these definitions. The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of materials and the conditions under which reflections occur.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in optics, material science, and the principles of light reflection may find this discussion relevant.

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This may sound really silly but yeah, a plane mirror, and a white sheet of paper, both reflect all the wavelengths of light incident on them. So Instead of a plane mirror, if I use a white sheet of paper, Why don't I see a reflection of myself?
I have studied ray diagrams, and i know how an image is formed by a plane mirror (which can be explained by ray diagrams). If a white sheet of paper can reflect all light, why can't I draw the same ray diagram with a white paper instead of a mirror?
 
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Maybe, because of the irregularities present on the surface of the paper, the reflected rays are not parallel... so we don't obtain any sharp image as such... the rays get dispersed.
 
But what about smooth, laminated papers?
 
ShreyasR said:
This may sound really silly but yeah, a plane mirror, and a white sheet of paper, both reflect all the wavelengths of light incident on them. So Instead of a plane mirror, if I use a white sheet of paper, Why don't I see a reflection of myself?
I have studied ray diagrams, and i know how an image is formed by a plane mirror (which can be explained by ray diagrams). If a white sheet of paper can reflect all light, why can't I draw the same ray diagram with a white paper instead of a mirror?

This is because of diffuse reflection; see these links:

Specular vs. Diffuse Reflection
Diffuse reflection (wiki)

and you will see that it's not only the smoothness of the surface that plays a role - it's also the material itself. I'm pretty sure the material thickness also has some role.
 
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DennisN said:
This is because of diffuse reflection; see these links:

Specular vs. Diffuse Reflection
Diffuse reflection (wiki)

and you will see that it's not only the smoothness of the surface that plays a role - it's also the material itself. I'm pretty sure the material thickness also has some role.

Thank you :-) And when we say that a white object appears white because it reflects all the wavelengths incident on it, does it mean that the intensity of the reflected light is proportional to the incident light or it need not meet this condition? (for white light)
 
The term "white" typically means that all parts of the spectrum are reflected equally.

Claude.
 
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Claude Bile said:
The term "white" typically means that all parts of the spectrum are reflected equally.

Claude.
And some of the light may get absorbed by the white surface. As Claude said, White means that all parts of the spectrum are reflected equally. That means the intensity need not be same as the incident light intensity.
 
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ShreyasR said:
But what about smooth, laminated papers?

I think the lamination is what is smooth - and it's clear (non-reflective). The paper below is still bumpy and had diffuse reflections.
 
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