Basic forces problem: which has a higher acceleration?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem comparing the acceleration of a block under two different scenarios: one where a mass is falling and another where a hand applies a constant force. The subject area includes dynamics and Newton's laws of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the forces acting on the block in both cases, questioning how the total mass affects acceleration. There is an attempt to clarify the significance of the mass being accelerated in each scenario.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration. Some guidance has been offered regarding the law of inertia and its relevance to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of a massless rope and the role of gravity in the system. There is an acknowledgment of the need to account for the total mass in determining acceleration.

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Homework Statement


In which situation does block m experience a larger acceleration? In case 1, the 10kg mass is hanging from a rope and falling. In case 2, a hand is providing a constant downward force. Assume the rope is massless.
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Homework Equations


F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


The force applied to m in case 1 is 98N. Gravity is acting on both 'm' and 10kg, but since 'm' is on top of a table (which provides a normal force), it's going to have no effect on the system's acceleration. Knowing F=ma, F=10kg(9.8 m/s^2), F=98N. Thus, the force in case 1 is equal to the force in case 2. However, the online quiz I did told me that case 2 has the higher acceleration. How is this possible if the downward force is the same in both situations?
 
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What's the total mass being accelerated in each case?
 
You could try drawing "the hand of gravity" in case 1.
 
The total mass being accelerated for case one is 10kg+m, and for case two it's m. But isn't the 'm' insignificant when looking at how much force is applied to each system? Wait, but it might be significant when determining acceleration. F=ma, so 98N=11kg(a) vs. 98N = 1kg(a). That makes sense that case two will accelerate faster! Thank you for hinting at the law of inertia!
 

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