Basic geometry - dot product/cart. lines

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The problem involves determining the coordinates of points A and C in triangle ABC, given points B and I, and a line 'a'. The conditions include that point A lies on line 'a', point I is the foot of the height from A to line BC, and the angle at A is specified as arccos(1/3).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting up parametric equations for line 'a' and the relationship between vectors AI and BI. There are attempts to derive equations based on the dot product and orthogonality conditions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring the setup of equations and questioning their interpretations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of parametric equations and the implications of the dot product condition.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the correct interpretation of the equations derived from the dot product and the implications for finding point A. Participants express uncertainty about the representation of certain equations and their relevance to the problem.

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Homework Statement


We consider two points, B and I and a line 'a'.
B(0,-4,-7) I(-2,-2,-5) and a: x = y+1 = (z-2)/2

Determine the summits of A and C of triangle ABC knowing that:

-Summit A belongs to the line 'a'
-I is the foot of the height from A (perpendicular to BC)
-The angle of A is equal to arccos(1/3)


Homework Equations



dot product

The Attempt at a Solution



I feel as if I'm really close, but keep getting the wrong answer. My process is as follows: The dot product of BI and AI is equal to zero. Knowing this, I can obtain an equation of the line AI and determine where it intersects with line 'a'. This is as far as I've gotten in my attempt to find A.

Thanks a lot for any help you can provide!
 
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boings said:

Homework Statement


We consider two points, B and I and a line 'a'.
B(0,-4,-7) I(-2,-2,-5) and a: x = y+1 = (z-2)/2

Determine the summits of A and C of triangle ABC knowing that:

-Summit A belongs to the line 'a'
-I is the foot of the height from A (perpendicular to BC)
-The angle of A is equal to arccos(1/3)


Homework Equations



dot product

The Attempt at a Solution



I feel as if I'm really close, but keep getting the wrong answer. My process is as follows: The dot product of BI and AI is equal to zero. Knowing this, I can obtain an equation of the line AI and determine where it intersects with line 'a'. This is as far as I've gotten in my attempt to find A.

Thanks a lot for any help you can provide!

Welcome to PF, boings!

Can you set up a parametric equation for the line 'a'?
That is, find a support vector and a direction vector?

If you fill that in for A in your dot product, you'll get an equation from which you can find A...
 
Hi and thanks!

good point!

(if k=constant)
x= 0 + k
y= -1 + k
z= 2 + 2k

Although, when I plug that in it doesn't make much sense. I proceed like this:

AI (dot) BI = (-2, 2, 2)(dot)(-2, -2, -5)(0 + k, -1 + k, 2 + 2k)

I think that this is already flawed in some sense
 
Well, the vector AI is the difference of (-2, -2, -5) and (0 + k, -1 + k, 2 + 2k).
So that is (-2 - k, -1- k, -7 - 2k).
Then take the dot product and set it equal to zero...
 
Alrighty, so I then get (4-2k, -2-2k, -14 - 4k)=0 which represents the line AI.

This is where I get a little tripped up. Should I solve for k and replace into original equation of the line? The answer should be: A(-3, -4, -4)
 
boings said:
Alrighty, so I then get (4-2k, -2-2k, -14 - 4k)=0 which represents the line AI.

Hmm, (4-2k, -2-2k, -14 - 4k)=0 does not represent a line.
How come you think that?

This is where I get a little tripped up. Should I solve for k and replace into original equation of the line? The answer should be: A(-3, -4, -4)

The vector AI is represented by (-2 - k, -1- k, -7 - 2k) for some value of k.
The vector BI is (-2, 2, 2).
Their dot product has to be zero.

The dot product is (-2-k) x -2 + (-1-k) x 2 + (-7-2k) x 2 = 0.
Solve for k?
 
Oh ok I get it! thank you so much.

I see how that's not a line now, but rather the equation that relies the orthogonality between AI and BI. It sure looks like a a parametric equation of a line though ^^

thanks again
 

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