Basic Momentum and Energy and time

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving momentum and energy, specifically focusing on a bullet's penetration into a tree trunk. Participants are exploring the application of work-energy principles and kinematic equations to determine the force exerted on the bullet and the time taken for it to stop.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the work-energy principle to find the force stopping the bullet and questions the validity of using a specific kinematic equation for calculating time. Other participants suggest alternative approaches and question the correctness of the equations used.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the original poster's attempts, indicating that while the force calculation may be correct, the kinematic equation used for time is not standard. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to find acceleration and time, with participants encouraging the sharing of intermediate steps for clarity.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available and the methods that can be used. There is a noted confusion regarding the application of kinematic equations and the interpretation of results.

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Basic Momentum and Energy! and time!

1. A 5.36 g bullet moving at 681.8 m/s penetrates a tree trunk to a depth of 3.79 cm.
a) Use work and energy considerations to find the magnitude of the force that stops the
bullet.Answer in units of N.

for this i did 1/2mv^2=w=fd
so 1/2(.00536)(681.8)^2=w=fd
1245.801323=fd
1245.801323=f(.0379)
and i solved for f and got 32870.74731

2. (part 2 of 2) b) Assuming that the frictional force is constant, determine how much time elapses between the moment the bullet enters the tree and the moment the bullets stops moving.
Answer in units of s.

for this one i just did vf^2=vi^2+2at. is that correct??

THANK YOU!
 
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Hi Ronaldo21! :smile:

(try using the X2 and X2 tags just above the Reply box :wink:)
Ronaldo21 said:
… for this one i just did vf^2=vi^2+2at. is that correct??

No! That is not one of the standard constant acceleration equations.

(You're thinking of v2 = u2 + 2as)

Try again! :smile:
 


hmm. i don't get it :(
 


any help? I am just so confused!
 


You got the first one right. tiny tim was just pointing out that vf^2=vi^2+2at is a wrong formula. Why don't you use F=ma to find the acceleration and use a=(change in v)/time?
 


that'll just give me 32,870.74672 as an answer. it looks big.
 


It is big if it's in seconds. That's like about 9 hours. In fact, that's the same numerical answer you gave for the force. Why don't you show your intermediate steps and put units on your numbers so I've got some clue what you are talking about? You've already got that the force is 32871N. The mass is 5.36g. What's the acceleration?
 
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