Basic Physics Law: Why Brakes Make Car Front Go Down, Rear Go Up

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The discussion explores the mechanics behind the behavior of a car's body during braking, specifically why the front of the car dips while the rear rises. It involves concepts from physics related to torque, center of mass, and forces acting on the vehicle during deceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that braking causes the front of the car to move down and the rear to move up, prompting the question of why this occurs.
  • Another participant attributes the phenomenon to torque, referencing similar behavior in bicycles or motorcycles when front brakes are applied too forcefully.
  • A participant explains that the torque arises because the braking point is not aligned with the vehicle's center of mass, leading to a rotational effect when brakes are applied at the bottom of the vehicle.
  • Further, a participant proposes a hypothetical scenario where brakes are applied at the center of mass, suggesting that this would eliminate torque and prevent the car's nose from dipping.
  • Another participant elaborates on the creation of torque, indicating that it results from the ground applying a backward force at the contact patch and the inertial force at the center of gravity during braking.
  • Additionally, they mention that there is a pitch down torque due to the brake calipers, which affects the distribution of downforce on the tires while braking.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the mechanics of braking and torque, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the complete understanding of these dynamics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the alignment of braking forces and the center of mass, as well as the effects of different braking scenarios, which are not fully explored or resolved.

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When we hit brakes on a forward moving car, the front of the car moves down and the
rear moves up. Why?
 
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Torque. Consider what happens to a bicycle or motorcycle if you hit the front brakes too hard!
 
The reason there is torque is because the point of braking is not aligned with the centre of mass of the vehicle. The braking is applied at the bottom of the vehicle. No such braking is applied at the top of the vehicle. So it wants to rotate.

Let's say the brakes, rather than being applied to the road, were applied to surfaces than ran through the centre of mass of the vehicle. Pretend there are guardrails running along the sides of the road at about 3 feet high. The brakes grab those instead of the road. Because the centre of mass of the vehicle is about 3 feet high and the application of braking is also about 3 ft high, there's no torque. The car's nose does not dip.
 
The main creation of torque is due to the ground applying a backwards force at the contact patch of the car (the bottom of the car as mentioned above), and the corresponding forwards inertial force due to braking at the center of gravity of the car. The distance from ground to center of gravity times the braking force is the torque due to these forces.

There's also a pitch down torque due to the brakes themselves. The front brake caliper would try to raise the rear end, the rear brake caliper would try to lower the front end, there'd still be a re-distribution of downforce on the tires under braking.
 

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